Guest posts by Zeful

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General Discussion / Re: Is this game worth playing?

« on: December 05, 2011, 01:41:58 am »

Elemental Mastery isn't the point of the game, though it does get you more money. The way this game design is that you earn money, buy cards to improve or get a better deck, rinse and repeat while enjoying other things like PvP Events here or just messing around with the cards you have. (Note that almost every card the bots have can be brought in the Bazaar. The few that you can't can usually be won in the Arena.)

I KNOW THAT! Jesus, you act like I'm brain damaged or something.

I know that Elemental Mastery isn't the point of the game. It's a card game, I'm supposed to be playing other players, like in Magic, or Yu-gi-oh, or even Battle Spirits (fun game) but I can't do that because I have a card disadvantage, and DM1321 brought up Elemental mastery in the first place, also treating me like I'm some kind of idiot. I point out that the above is also the precise reason why I can't get Elemental Mastery and you point out it isn't the point of the game. Well duh, would you like to state something else blisteringly obvious. Like the sum of 1 and 1? Or the color of the sky? Or maybe, just maybe you could stop treating me like an idiot.

btw, just on a side note, a large part of EtG is its community, and this is the wrong attitude to introduce yourself into it...

Yes, because just a quick look at replies to this topic doesn't sound like a bunch of people talking down to a newbie. I'll start respecting people once they've earned it, until then they get caustic for treating me like an idiot.

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General Discussion / Re: Is this game worth playing?

« on: December 05, 2011, 12:35:42 am »

First of all, welcome to Elements the Game. Secondly... yes, you're going to play the bots. Y'know, they're there for a reason. Mind you, bots are actually pretty easy to fight as you said, and the rewards are bad for the first few, but it's not so bad for AI3 (Elder or Level3 as some call it.) Just go ahead and farm that. Also, if you don't know, when you win the Maximum Health you will get something called "Elemental Mastery", which doubles your electrum gain (40.) Not only that, but you also get the spins, which can be used to get new cards. Ta-da.

Oh yes, meet grinding as well. It just has to be done. Killing bots is essential. You, a enlightened person about game design surely wasn't hoping to come into a game and expect all cards to be available to you from the start, and just go ahead and fight PVP forever, hmm?

No I'm not stupid. I know how the game plays but do to having a card disadvantage on all my opponents is pretty shit game design for a card game. That same card disadvantage makes the Elemental mastery impossible to get.

"PVP 1. Random Player."

Random. Gogo. Plus, it's all un-upped, so not all games will be an "automatic loss". And, if you fight 500games+ people, when you beat them, you're going to get more electrum and more score, so it's good, no?

Remember the Level3 I talked about a bit earlier? Any deck that can beat it regularly (And there are tons of those, just give this forum a look!) will beat most PVP1 people as well. It's not so bad, and it's not throwing money away. As I have said as well, not all bots have shit reward, and PVP isn't really a automatic loss, so on to the next part.

Except I won't be winning against players 500+ games, or at least not enough to make a profit (assuming 120 a win, I have to win 1 in seven matches to break even... that's not been the experience). And you bring up another issue of card economy, I won't have the cards to build any of those decks, so reliably winning against level 3 opponents just won't happen. So the best use of my time is simply not playing the game and waiting for dayroll and snatching up the oracles drop every day.

That's what pisses me off. Not playing the game is the most effective use of my time. The hell?

This is an easy game with small, slow rewards. You can't rush your way towards... whatever you think your end goal is.

Play this game as a relaxing break from more challenging games. You seem to be expecting higher reward, which would only make sense in a game with higher risk. You can, eventually, own everything in this game and never fear a significant setback. Ergo, it takes awhile to get there.

No I'm expecting an even reward, which I'm not getting, as the slots are worthless, and being able to reliably beat an the apparently worthwhile AI opponent takes cards I don't have and can't get without extensive grinding. So again, the best use of my time is not playing.

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General Discussion / Re: Is this game worth playing?

« on: December 04, 2011, 11:44:34 pm »

So I have months of grind ahead of me to gain the privilege to more grind?

Doesn't sound like it's getting better, just more tedious.

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General Discussion / Is this game worth playing?

« on: December 04, 2011, 11:33:27 pm »

I started playing three days ago, and since then have seen a lot of crap that just pisses me off as a person enlightened about game design. It's making me very seriously not consider playing the game. First and foremost being the tiny rewards for playing bots. I know it's there to encourage people to PvP more, but the game does not set you up to initially play against other players, heck it barely sets you up to play the bots, and bots are easy. Next is the pairing system for non-arena PvP, I'm not getting placed against new players, like would be expected from a system (because Elo's scoring system exists), I'm getting initially placed against people with 500+ games played? Really? This makes the 30 ante for PvP just not worth it. I can throw 30 away just by buying off type cards, which actually improve my ability to play, playing people with that much of an economic advantage means that I'm throwing money away that I could actually use. So I'm pretty much stuck just grinding the bots and their shit rewards so that PvP is a possibility rather than an automatic loss. The arena is worse. Automatically getting locked in 5 copies of "the oracle's" card means that new players have a 1 in 14 chance before entering a match of even being able to compete because they have 1 color their deck actually can support and getting 5 cards that are not that color means 5 card dead-weight, decreasing the odds to gain a useful card on a draw, and wasting space in their hand. I'm also aware it's to improve variety, but it's also an effective lockout for the "Newbie scrubs" to keep them from "tainting" the "pureness" of the arena.

Is this game eventually worth it or just more of the same?