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Religion / Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design
« on: July 14, 2010, 04:11:21 am »
is it really 50,000??? Hmm, I dont seem to remember that, nevertheless, as Ive pointed out, it is easily disturbed. Now, when it comes to Radio-Isotopes, God created everything in an adult form, and so the radio-isotopes of everything would already be off, and especially if you dont believe it is a literal 7 days, it explains the Isotopes as well.
you really have very little understanding of the way we date things do you?
nope not at all. This is actually one of the more scientific hard data things that I looked at. Tell me, how am I missing it? I never said the data was innacurate, all I simply pointed out is that it doesnt in any way contradict the bible.
according to the bible everything was created 6000 years ago, yet we have fossils that date back, millions of years.
I'm interested to read the Bible part about the 6000 years.  Can you send me a link referencing that number?
my bad, I meant 8000


Nowehere in the Bible is the age of the Earth mentioned. Bishop Ussher, in a remarkably scholarly attempt well before the advent of modern day geological thnking, estimated the age of the Earth by counting up all the generations in the Old testament, plus a few adjustments here and there. He came up with a date for Genesis at just over 6000 years BC

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Religion / Re: Christian Viewpoint 1: Is Everyone Savable?
« on: July 14, 2010, 03:44:53 am »
Some one never introduced to Christianity has a choice?

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Religion / Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design
« on: July 14, 2010, 03:41:26 am »
is it really 50,000??? Hmm, I dont seem to remember that, nevertheless, as Ive pointed out, it is easily disturbed. Now, when it comes to Radio-Isotopes, God created everything in an adult form, and so the radio-isotopes of everything would already be off, and especially if you dont believe it is a literal 7 days, it explains the Isotopes as well.
you really have very little understanding of the way we date things do you?
nope not at all. This is actually one of the more scientific hard data things that I looked at. Tell me, how am I missing it? I never said the data was innacurate, all I simply pointed out is that it doesnt in any way contradict the bible.
according to the bible everything was created 6000 years ago, yet we have fossils that date back, millions of years.

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Religion / Re: religious paradox
« on: July 14, 2010, 03:32:06 am »
God wants us to worship Him only because that's the only way to get in heaven. He commands it out of love for us, not pride for Himself.
but god created heaven, therefore he decides how to get into heaven. He is choosing to eternally damn people just because they don't believe in him
No, you don't understand the concept of heaven.

God did create heaven. Heaven is a perfect place. Sin is NOT allowed in heaven, or else it isn't heaven. Think of it like a highly selective school. To get in this highly selective school, you need to be smart. If you get in without being smart, then it isn't highly selective.

So you can't get into heaven with sin.

Now, all of us sin. We are born sinners since we have descended from Adam (we actually didn't have sin until Satan tempted Adam and Eve). So since we all sin, we shouldn't get into heaven at all, right?

Well, God forgave us of our sins by sending Jesus to die on the cross FOR our sins. If you believe in Jesus Christ (essentially God), worship Him, and let him into your heart (sounds sappy, I know), then your sins are forgiven. Then, since your sins are forgiven, you have no sin, so can go into heaven.

It's not that God decides who gets into heaven. It's you have to be perfect to get into heaven, and the only way to be perfect is to accept Jesus as your savior and worship him.
I fail to see how someone who has done no wrong has sined.

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Religion / Re: Christian Viewpoint 1: Is Everyone Savable?
« on: July 14, 2010, 03:28:48 am »
Actually none of the reasons are the reason for it. The real reason is because he took his son as a sacrifice, for us to all see, and so, because of that, we need to accept him. Its not envy, pride, or vanity. And also, the verse I cited, fits for it as well. a kingdom divided can not stand. Period.

And whether you want to accept it as a good reason or not, it really is a very logical reason. Why set up something that is just going to fall. God gave human kind one chance. Thats all we need.
so god is blaming all humanity for the mistakes of people long sense dead? as for the Kingdom divided crap, God could easily take these perfectly kind and sinless people into his kingdom and explain to them that he was the river and the forest and the wonderful bounty. after all god is technically everything. buy no, he chooses to send these people to hell for something out of thier control....

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Religion / Re: religious paradox
« on: July 14, 2010, 03:22:34 am »
God wants us to worship Him only because that's the only way to get in heaven. He commands it out of love for us, not pride for Himself.
but god created heaven, therefore he decides how to get into heaven. He is choosing to eternally damn people just because they don't believe in him

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Religion / Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design
« on: July 14, 2010, 03:19:15 am »
is it really 50,000??? Hmm, I dont seem to remember that, nevertheless, as Ive pointed out, it is easily disturbed. Now, when it comes to Radio-Isotopes, God created everything in an adult form, and so the radio-isotopes of everything would already be off, and especially if you dont believe it is a literal 7 days, it explains the Isotopes as well.
you really have very little understanding of the way we date things do you?


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Religion / Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design
« on: July 14, 2010, 02:37:05 am »
It is expected that at the time of the Flood, the earth was in chaos. Volcanoes, Massive Hurricanes, Storms Like we have never seen. This would have completely screwed over any carbon dating from before this time. Radio-Isotope Dating is another thing, but Carbon Dating, its not even usable for things greater than abuot 6-10,000 years (I forget the exact amount) in the first place.
traditional carbon 14 dating goes back 50,000 years, however we have other ways of dating things xD carbon 14 is most definitely not the only radioactive isotope we can use to date things after all.

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Religion / Re: Christian Viewpoint 1: Is Everyone Savable?
« on: July 14, 2010, 02:34:01 am »
not to mention you failed to address how sinful that commandment is anyways? Why the hell would god care if you were worshiping a river if your a good person, unless he is vain and prideful.
That comment itself is a paradox. You are saying something that is a sin based on something that you declare isnt true.
what pray-tell did I declare untrue?
You said it is a sin, yet you make it clear you dont believe in the Christian belief, so how is it a sin?
moot point, is this not a topic to be taken from a christian perspective. Even from a Christian perspective vanity is sinful, as it is a form of pride (The worst of the 7 deadly sins) and there is no reason for that commandment other than A) God is vain and a sinner or B) several hundred years ago when churches were the major ruling body some greedy and corrupt priest made that a commandment to scare people into joining and scare people out of leaving.

Also you failed to address a few points of my posts, opting for the one that you could easiest try to explain away.

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So your saying that because these people, who have worshiped their river (which is a physical, tangible thing) should stop worshiping it because some random person comes to them and tells them if they don't stop worshiping their river and start worshiping a improvable intangible man ? And if they don't they burn in hell forever. How is this not cruel?? And how is it choice ? Do this or you go to hell? seems like a threat to me....
mainly the bolded part....
Ok, as to the first part of the quote pyramid, how is it a sin then. You said its a sin, so how is it?

As to the second part, im quoting something I posted in another topic.

Mark 3
23 So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end.

There comes a certain point where you have to make your choice, otherwise you will just divide the kingdom of heaven.. You may call it harsh, Gods punishment. But the way I see it, it is on mine and every christians hand for not being a better example. That is why Im here because know what true love for God is, and that punishment is in the back of my mind, reminding me what will happen to my friends, my family, and my loved ones if I dont try something, anything. Im here because there is a purpose and a reason for it. I have to show Gods love everywhere I can, because of a care for the world. Im not in it to advance some type of theological government. The very idea is absurd, the choice is yours to make, not governments. Im not here for some type of self gain. I have no reason to stand here and talk to people I dont even know and say things like this. I could be FG farming, or anything like that. This is just one board out of the entire internet, and it seems insignificant to try to stand up in this one area, which has been branded predominantly atheists to try to make  a point for God. But thats what Im doing, because you mention Hell as if its some secret of the Christian world., when in reality, it really should be on the forefront of a lot of Christians minds because of the very reason you stated.  There should be a lot more here assisting instead of just playing religion all day which is just shameful. 

And I dont even like saying that, because at the same time, hell isnt what christians are suppose to be about. They are suppose to be showing a genuine love for God, and that reason shouldnt be Hell, it should be because of an understanding of who he is, and what he has done for us. When talking to a non-christian, I dont even like mentioning Hell because that should not be the reason for changing. There is only one good reason and that is out of love for God. 

So yes, it is a harsh sentence. Why do you think Im here?
LMFAO! how is it a sin? Everything about it is sinful.  Tell me , why would God damn a person to eternal suffering just because he is not worshiping him. The only logical reason would be envy, vanity, and pride. all three of which are sins according to the christian religion.

As to your quote. It does not suitably answer my question.

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Religion / Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design
« on: July 13, 2010, 11:08:21 pm »
one word..... aliens O.O (actually a possibility xD)


I will say that the evolution theory is much more likely in my opinion, for several reasons.
The main reason being fossil record, if we go back about 200,000 years ago there are no homo sapiens; however, there are other human like animals.

now my understanding of creationism is that we were all just created and put on the earth as is "poof" and modern man, civilization, and all modern animals here in an instant....

I am not going to rule out the possibility of a higher being starting evolution tho. I definitely believe that is possible because no one knows how it all started (and we probably never will)
I wonder why Noah didn't save the dinosaurs...

I understand that mans ancestors can be traced back to Adam & Eve and thus the begining of the 'poof' as you say to around 6,000-10,000, so we can ignore the dinosaur fossils as God's little prank as they cannot exist before the garden of eden.  Sorry.
but what about Neanderthals and all of the other humanoid animals before us. And why the heck would god create Dinosaur fossils as a prank, that is kind of stupid -_-
Why would god create dinosaur fossils that can be carbon dated to a time before Adam?  To test our faith!
LMAO XD and why would he need to do that xD

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Religion / Re: Do you feel persecuted because of your beliefs?
« on: July 13, 2010, 10:46:33 pm »
I think its worth noting again that there is nowhere in the constitution that says Seperation of Church and State, and the citation it is taken from is often times  "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" which if anything is made more for the freedom of religion than the prohibition of it.
and your forget that Freedom of religion also covers the non religious. The reason for separation of church and state is to protect everyone's rights held under the 1st amendment.
Emphasis Added, since it was once again relevant.
Ah... my poor friend let me introduce you to the necessary and proper clause.

Quote from: U.S.A. constitution Article 1 Section 8
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
=D Yay they thought of this! After all the words air force is not in the constitution now is it?

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