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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 06, 2012, 09:30:38 pm »
Not the point.  The game is fun, but acquiring the stuff to make it fun doesn't necessarily have to.
Acquiring "the stuff" is part of the game.

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Again, there MANY fun options, but grinding is grinding, not entertainment.
If a game isn't entertaining, then isn't that a problem?  Surely the whole point of a game is entertainment?

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 06, 2012, 09:16:28 pm »
Since when is grinding supposed to be fun?
Since when is playing a game not supposed to be fun?  If it's not fun, then doesn't that rather defeat the object?

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:58:23 pm »
Ahh ok, there is a big difference between calling somebody lazy and not being enough options :D  p
I think both are true.

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I agree that it is lazy, but thats a personality trait, and changing the game won't really fix that.  However, back to the topic.  If it's as unoriginal and lame as you claim, it should actually be beneficial to grinders.  If every type of deck is the same, then it's easier to build counters.  It's the unique nonconventional decks that act as counters to the usualy.
That depends on whether the benefit is measured in  :electrum earned or fun had, really.

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:57:33 pm »
So fair enough if it's a Quantum Pillar or Nova
In fact, I'd even like to note that even if you get these cards you don't have to go for a bow.  I've got a deck I like to play sometimes which I call *adopts best Valley Girl accent* "OMG! That's, Like, Totally Random!" which uses Quantum Pillars and Supernovas*:

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As a player it's not much good for anything above AI3, but in Platinum it should work okay, although the AI won't enjoy the randomness of play.  But the point is that even if you get an obvious card you don't have to do the obvious thing.  So you get a Crimson Dragon.  Why not try to power it with Fireflies, rather than making yet another Immorush?  That's the kind of thing I don't see much of.  Probably mostly because an Immorush is going to clobber most players, whereas powering fire cards with Fireflies is inefficient and susceptible to CC, but if you don't care how your deck does, then why not do it anyway?

*Probably not really original to me, given how few deck types there ultimately are, but if it's a copy it's an unintentional one.

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:39:26 pm »
I agree that there are a lot of novabows, but don't forget, entropy is an extremely strong element.  It's nowhere near as common, but there are antimatter stalls (quite a few plat players have a purple nymph or two).
I've seen maybe one, and I've been playing Platinum on and off all day.

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However, you can't really hate on rainbows either.
Oh yes I can.  I think it's the epitome of lazy Arena deck building.  Surely the point of an Arena deck is to try to use the Oracle card in an interesting way?  So fair enough if it's a Quantum Pillar or Nova, but if you're just going to build a deck which would play essentially the same if you'd have got any card off the Oracle, then how is that creative?

I never put more than a duo or maybe trio deck in the Arena. 

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One of the beautiful parts of a rainbow deck is that it's strategy doesn't involve a whole lot of strategy.  It makes them unique.
It makes them easy and unimaginative.

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Even if all of those were rainbows, I doubt you could find 5 that were identical.
So?  That doesn't make them any less lazy.

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 06, 2012, 07:49:06 pm »
The thing is: most people in plat are already rich enough where they don't care if their deck does well, so they try and do it with interesting decks.  I personally don't see a lot of ghostmares, poisonstalls are more common, but hey, its a 500 deck sample.  For example, my card today was shrieker, instead of making a shreiker rush, I went with TU shreiker with earthquake and silence.  For most people I've talked to in Plat, its about doing well with original decks.
It'd be lovely if that were true, but you still mostly get rainbows doing the same old boring things rainbows do.  A quick look at the top 500 reveals that there are currently 115  :entropy decks in Platinum.  That means 23.6% of Platinum decks are almost certainly rainbows.  And that, of course, isn't including Timebows.

I'm sure that part of the problem is that the game as a whole has so few cards, and not all of the cards being as useful or powerful as each other, making originality hard to achieve - why use Flood when it just makes your deck less likely to win?  If all elements were equally balanced, then you'd expect 1 out of every 12 decks you encounter to be  :fire, but if there's only one or two decks that you can make with  :fire, then that means that you're basically going to be facing the same deck on average every 12 games.

But, still, you can't help but roll your eyes when you get yet another variation on the same basic deck.

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 06, 2012, 10:58:12 am »
Hmm, I've been playing it today, and I can see the appeal.  However, I'd question whether it's really got more variety in it than Gold.  Amongst some familiar decks (Ghostmare is still depressingly popular), it's just got its own staples (Devourers, for example).

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 05, 2012, 10:53:44 am »
The times I've farmed Platinum I've got around a 40-50% success rate, and I just used my Gold farming deck.  I'm really not sure I can see the difference, but I'll take your word for it that it's there.

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 05, 2012, 09:24:27 am »
Not really. The decks used to farm plat & gold are very different.
Why?  Surely if a deck works on Platinum it'll work well on Gold.

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Trainer edition = 6 of each card, upped & unupped, 24 pillars/pends upped and unupped.
That makes sense.  I'd have thought that was probably the exception, though.

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 05, 2012, 08:56:38 am »
Money gets pretty useless once you reach trainer edition.
I'm not sure what you mean by "trainer edition".

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Also, those 50% win rate more often that not = em.
But if that's true for Platinum, then isn't it also true for Gold, only with the higher win rate?

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General Discussion / Re: Why play Platinum?
« on: April 05, 2012, 08:15:29 am »
Score~
Is the score that much better than Gold?  Even taking in to account the relative win/loss ratios?

And what's the point of acquiring score anyway?  I'd have thought  :electrum was far more important.

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General Discussion / Why play Platinum?
« on: April 05, 2012, 07:09:23 am »
When I farm, I usually farm Gold.  If you've got a good Arena farming deck, then you have a high win rate, the reward/cost ratio is high, and you end up getting special spins and therefore winning rare upgraded cards relatively often.

With Platinum, however, you're far less likely to win.  I've seen more than one person saying that a good win rate in Platinum is around 40-50%.  That's not terribly high.  The cost/reward ratio is higher, of course, but it's not that much higher than Gold (248 :electrum compared to 161 :electrum at the moment).  And a low win ratio means that although you only need 3 wins in a row to get a special spin you're actually less likely to achieve this than you are to get one in Gold, for exactly the same reward.

So why bother?  Can anyone who farms Platinum explain it to me?

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