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Title: Grid - Round 9
Post by: Gyrodiot on July 04, 2011, 03:35:28 am
Grid - Round 9

Warning, the round event has been edited (2nd to 5th greater reward)

Round 9 : time's up !

Useful notes
Event : I don't need them anymore !
I sense the end of the battle is near.Yup. I have to confess something... I want to stop my quest for Relics.Are you kidding me ? After all we've gone through ? All these adventures and you want to drop out ?I will walk with you. I'm just... tired of receiving shiny sparkles in my eyes. It hurts, you know.... don't you have glasses to protect you ?[/list]
Special Rules : If you don't pick any Relic slot and win, you gain the fifth greater amount of Relics earned by the other winners.

This round event is nasty. You can basically let other players do the work for you... with the risk that everyone does the same.

Winners will be split in 2 groups : the first one picked some Relic slots, and will earn them as usual. Their rewards are sorted. The second group didn't pick any Relic slots, all players in it receive the fifth best reward from the first group. Some examples :

If first group earned 9, 6, 4, 4, 3, 2 and 1 Relics, second group will earn 3 Relics for a win.
If first group earned 9, 8, 8, 8, 7, 7 and 6 Relics, second group will earn 7 Relics for a win.
If there's 4 or less winners in group 1... the second group wins nothing !

To be clear, the group you belong to is determined by your picks. No Relic slot picked (only card slots) ? Second group. Otherwise, first group.

Here's a reminder of the slot picking and deckbuilding rules :
Standings

All the results in a pretty table are here ! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28043.0.html)

Bans

majofaHope - Luciferine - Coclatrice - Purify - Mind Flayer - Feral Bond - Horned Frog
ak65alaIce Shield - Purify - Ice Bolt - Antimatter
kevkev60614Shield - Arseinc - Sapphire Charger - Fire Bolt - Poison
SeraphAdrenaline - Discord - Horned Frog
The MormegilBone Wall - Arsenic - Poison - Fire Bolt - Sapphire Charger - Sundial
SteppingStone81Arsenic - Bone Wall - Fire Spirit - Fire Bolt - Poison
ddevans96Plague - Hematite Golem - Purify - Earthquake - Chaos Seed - Trident
TheForbiddenOracleWyrm - Azure Dragon - Dragonfly - Fog Shield - Adrenaline - Fallen Elf
RavingRabbidBone Wall - Poison - Pandemonium - Arsenic - Parallel Universe - Antimatter
coinichPlague - Hematite Golem - Purify - Earthquake - Chaos Seed - Trident
TerrokingDune Scorpion - Sundial - Arsenic - Bone Wall - Reverse Time - Ghost of the Past - Poison
agentflareDune Scorpion - Chaos Seed - Deathstalker - Blessing - Bone Wall - Poison - Trident - Fate Egg - Procrastination
kirchj33Bone Wall - Arsenic - poison - Sapphire Charger - Fahrenheit
KakerlakeFog Shield - Dragonfly - Dagger - Azure Dragon - Poison
valukaFreeze - Heal - Adrenaline - Cockatrice - Steal - Poseidon - Horned Frog - Purify
Napalm GrenadeArsenic - Bone Wall - Fire Bolt - Poison
nilsieboyBone Wall - Poison - Sundial - Arsenic - Trident
DevilLossEmpathic Bond - Deathstalker - Poison - Chaos Seed - Dissipation Shield
dracomageatSteal - Deja Vu - Shield - Vampire Stiletto - Fire Bolt - Dagger
calindu221Freeze - Parallel Universe - Pandemonium - Arsenic - Bone Wall - Fire Spirit - Poison
mrpaperMind Flayer - Arsenic - Bone Wall - Poison
Five In OneBone Wall - Poison - Liquid Shadow - Deathstalker - Chaos Seed - Antimatter
JockoMind Flayer - Steam Machine - Gnome Rider - Fire Bolt - Ice Bolt
truddy02Empathic Bond - Deathstalker - Poison - Chaos Seed - Dissipation Shield
Matchups

majofavs.kirchj33
ak65alavs.RavingRabbid
kevkev60614vs.dracomageat
Seraphvs.nilsieboy
The Mormegilvs.truddy02
SteppingStone81vs.TheForbiddenOracle
ddevans96vs.Terroking
coinichvs.mrpaper
agentflarevs.DevilLoss
Kakerlakevs.Napalm Grenade
valukavs.Five In One
calindu221vs.Jocko
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Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: SteppingStone81 on July 04, 2011, 03:40:48 am
This event is pretty crazy   :o

Last round?
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: Gyrodiot on July 04, 2011, 03:49:21 am
Nope. Grid lasts 10 rounds. But I kept the biggest event for the end ^^
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on July 04, 2011, 03:58:37 am
Lol if everyone decided to play by the event this round
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: The_Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 06:10:25 am
Quote from: TheForbiddenOracle on July 04, 2011, 03:58:37 am
Lol if everyone decided to play by the event this round
Will not work. The event is pretty much rigged in favor of those on top, actually.

EDIT: yes, the more I think about this, the more I think it's unbalanced. Take a look at the possible strategies for SteppingStone:
1) He doesn't follow the event, gaining normal amount of Relics upon winning. Good, but normal.
2) He DOES follow the event. Now, he has an enhanced Grid selection of top-notch decks, thus he wins more easily and takes the second most number of Relics. Since he's still in the lead, he keeps his distance - unless there is a 10 2 1 situation, but that's very unlikely with this many matches.

Now, the best course of action for him is clearly following the event and keeping his advantage UNLESS he fears we all follow the event. But, those further down in the ladder HAVE NO REASON TO. See it as follows:
1) They take Relics, gaining a normal amount of Relics upon winning. The leader keeps his distance.
2) They follow the event, gaining the same amount of Relics as SteppingStone. Be it 10 or 2. Thus, SteppingStone keeps his distance.

The only possible bad outcome for Stepping is if one of us runner-ups (me, majofa, kirchj) win a lot more Relics than he does. Thus, we have the choice:
1) Taking the Relics, and hoping that either Stepping, the others or possibly all three lose, in order to limit their Relic gain. Stepping follows the event, has a good selection of cards and wins his match. Hope that the other two either didn't take relics (which is stupid, see below) or lost, otherwise Stepping will keep his distance.
2) Following the event. Stepping does too, wins easily, and gains the same amount of relics as you, thus keeping his lead. Hope the other runner ups didn't take Relics too, otherwise they might pass you...

This event is rigged in Stepping's favor (as in, the leading man's favor, nothing personal ;) ).
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: Gyrodiot on July 04, 2011, 12:22:31 pm
Originally, I decided to base the event on the second best reward, considering that the one who takes the most risk has an advantage on other winners.

Problem is, the leaders have an advantage indeed, as their goal is to keep their position, not to have the most Relics (in an absolute way).

... and I don't like unbalance. Especially this close to the end of the event.

I thought of having a fixed number of Relics as a reward, but it would have been hard to balance... now that everyone is focused on the relative positions in the standings, it is a bit difficult to balance.

Event may change soon... maybe a fixed reward is the way to go.

EDIT : After some testing, I slightly changed the event, as second group will earn the 5th greater amount, not 2nd.

The spirit of the round event was "I'll go for first group. I'll take the relics. Sure, but if everyone does that, I prefer ensure a win by going in second group. But if everyone does that... and so on".

Problem is, if the leader takes the second group, there are still 4 people that will have a greater reward than him and... maybe I'm thinking too much. The event won't change anymore.
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: The_Mormegil on July 04, 2011, 12:51:23 pm
Definitely better. :)
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: Calindu on July 04, 2011, 01:57:22 pm
I think no one will go for event anymore... ::)
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: truddy02 on July 04, 2011, 02:21:55 pm
Quote from: calindu221 on July 04, 2011, 01:57:22 pm
I think no one will go for event anymore... ::)
Fifth most was 11 relics last time and is usually at least 7 or 8.  With the big numbers on this grid, I would bet it is double digits easily and still has a good chance to be within 3-4 of the top relic getter.  But then if too many people decide to try it using this reasoning then it becomes not worth it again.  It is more of a gamble now which means less will try it which means less of a gamble which means more should try it and so on in constant circles.  This makes it really interesting to see if people try it or not.
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: Terroking on July 04, 2011, 07:17:55 pm
It's time for those vs. the leaders to go balls to the wall, epic decks, all options covered, 100% win chance. Hopefully the leaders do not do this :)

Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: Jocko on July 04, 2011, 08:13:21 pm
Well, if SS uses 40 relics to build 2 60 upped decks in next two rounds and loses, and i win 10 relics...
*punches a bunch of numbers in calculator*
YES I WIN.
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: SteppingStone81 on July 05, 2011, 07:08:51 pm
Advantage:  Each round has similar importance - currently a tough victory one round might be worth only 4 relics while another round someone can get 20 relics with reasonably strong decksAdvantage:  Forfeit wins could get some reasonable total, such as 6 relicsDrawback:  The capped max relics does not reward risky Grids as much[/list]

2.  Give bonus relics (win or lose) for "using" the eventAdvantage:  Encouraging people to use the events each round will result in greater variety of decks each roundDrawback:  Some events, such as dispersion, work less well if there is no cost to using it[/list]

3.  Give each players 2-3 relics income each round
Advantage:  Players who have lost in the early rounds would still be able to use upgrades and/or the event[/list][/list]
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: The_Mormegil on July 05, 2011, 07:24:07 pm
Quote from: SteppingStone81 on July 05, 2011, 07:08:51 pm
    This round's event seems likely to give zero relics for a forfeit win (as long as a few winners choose zero relics).  Given that TheForbiddenOracle is not responding to PMs, I am concerned I will lose my lead because of a forfeit win. 
Truddy in not answering either. :/ anyway, I think this should be posted on feedback rather than here. :)[/list]
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: Gyrodiot on July 06, 2011, 09:20:42 am
Truddy AND TheForbiddenOracle sent me their picks for Round 9. I hope the matches will happen.

The forfeit wins seem to be the plague of this event...

Thanks for your ideas, SteppingStone, I'm looking very closely to all possible solutions to this problem.
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: The_Mormegil on July 06, 2011, 09:41:44 am
Quote from: Gyrodiot on July 06, 2011, 09:20:42 am
Truddy AND TheForbiddenOracle sent me their picks for Round 9. I hope the matches will happen.

The forfeit wins seem to be the plague of this event...

Thanks for your ideas, SteppingStone, I'm looking very closely to all possible solutions to this problem.
We kinda scheduled a match for today. I hope we manage to get it done, since we have opposite timezones PLUS I'm a bit busy today and tomorrow.
Title: Re: Grid - Round 9
Post by: RavingRabbid on July 07, 2011, 09:45:17 am
Due to some conflicting schedules, me and ak will play a bit after the deadline.
blarg: majofa,kirchj33,ak65ala,RavingRabbid,kevkev60614,dracomageat,Seraph,nilsieboy,The Mormegil,truddy02,SteppingStone81,TheForbiddenOracle,ddevans96,Terroking,coinich,mrpaper,agentflare,DevilLoss,Kakerlake,Napalm Grenade,valuka,Five In One,calindu221,Jocko