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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg179949#msg179949
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 07:49:10 pm »
even if that is a nice mix 69 pends and say 60 pillars

or 60 and 60

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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg180017#msg180017
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2010, 09:59:54 pm »
Things we need to add to our vault:
Quintessences - The quint'd Otyugh is the key to many FG Rainbows
Vulture, Graveyard  - Gravity has supreme CC, and death based effects play right into that.
Novas - Free splash quanta will help our versatility
Rain of Fire And/Or Rage Potion - Area of Effect CC is really nice, and Rage Potion can be used offensively or defensively. 
Blessings - Blessed Otyughs are nice as well, along with other uses. 
Rewind - When you want a different weapon than Eternity
Pharaoh - for Time/Grav synergy
Eagle Eye - Because 7 damage AND good CC is awesome.

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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg180048#msg180048
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2010, 11:03:15 pm »
Things we need to add to our vault:
Quintessences - The quint'd Otyugh is the key to many FG Rainbows
Vulture, Graveyard  - Gravity has supreme CC, and death based effects play right into that.
Novas - Free splash quanta will help our versatility
Rain of Fire And/Or Rage Potion - Area of Effect CC is really nice, and Rage Potion can be used offensively or defensively. 
Blessings - Blessed Otyughs are nice as well, along with other uses. 
Rewind - When you want a different weapon than Eternity
Pharaoh - for Time/Grav synergy
Eagle Eye - Because 7 damage AND good CC is awesome.
quint - added.
vulture,graveyard - uh... maybe bonewall, but it costs too much. so no.
nova - i don't see the point of it.
RoF/rage pot - RoF too expensive. rage pot... should we just throw away our firebolt deck and put in rage pot instead? --> good idea
blessings - uh... no
rewind - already in
pharaoh - too slow.
EE - hmm... too much quanta
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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg180248#msg180248
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2010, 03:27:33 am »
Just going to say a bit now; will try to look at things more later

We want Wings; Wings are great and are cheap.
I don't like Steal. Costs quite a bit and generally there isn't anything too great to Steal. Even if there is I don't feel it is very worth it.
More Reflective Shield. 2 is not enough. I would say 2 is not enough for 1 deck.
I'd like more Black Holes. Black Holes are great. Using 4 quanta to deny more than 4 is very worthwhile and even if it's below 4 it could really slow down opponents.
More Titans. Pretty much we should always take at least 1 Titan. It is the best offensive card we have. So 9 people with a Titan each needs 9. However, there are certain cases when a flying Titan deck is good. So I think we should take 14-19 Titans.
Get rid of Burning pillars; we don't need 12 of them. Gravity pendulum is more flexible and can generally provide what we need.
Same with Stone Pillars.
Now Bone Pillars, I'm not so sure about
More Holy Light
No Eternity; don't have the quanta generation to run it. Titan is generally better.

Generally, we have too many cards there in the list atm.

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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg180427#msg180427
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2010, 12:13:22 pm »
The problem with removing burning pillars is that our fire bolt decks become useless; however, I think that's a better choice. I removed both burning pillars and bolts.

I have no idea what I was thinking when I put in 8 stone pillars... maybe I thougth we had stone skin or something.

Reflective shield seems too situational. The only place we're going to use it is against gas or bolt deck, and I've only seen a few last war.

Dunno about other elements, but bone pillars seem a bit necessary so that it's possible to give poison charges on the second turn. With only pendulums, we'll have to wait until the 3rd.

Removed steal and eternity. Added wings.
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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg181136#msg181136
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2010, 06:02:33 pm »
Lolz... I'm just goofing around with a deck for the menagerie tournament, unupped gravity with an early armagio can EM these AI3 noobs :))
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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg181396#msg181396
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2010, 11:26:22 pm »
The thing about poison is that we don't really need much. Losing out on 1 turn of poison is only 3 damage. I just don't feel that bone pillars are worth it to have. I would get some if we wanted some Bone Walls but those are too expensive anyway.

Not sure we want any Chimera at all; don't think it is useful in really any circumstance.
Also, I'm not sure about the Pillar/Pendulum balance we have. In general the decks I used in masters battles were heavily for Pendulums. Pendulums are also more flexible because they are just like Pillars if we use Gravity mark.

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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg181464#msg181464
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2010, 12:55:03 am »
The thing about poison is that we don't really need much. Losing out on 1 turn of poison is only 3 damage. I just don't feel that bone pillars are worth it to have. I would get some if we wanted some Bone Walls but those are too expensive anyway.

Not sure we want any Chimera at all; don't think it is useful in really any circumstance.
Also, I'm not sure about the Pillar/Pendulum balance we have. In general the decks I used in masters battles were heavily for Pendulums. Pendulums are also more flexible because they are just like Pillars if we use Gravity mark.
Unless you and girls are going to be using the poison decks, it's 2 poison inflicted, not 3 :P Just thought I'd point that out

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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg184141#msg184141
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2010, 02:51:53 am »
Might be a bit too late, but what's with having immolations and no photons/sparks? I'm thinking our propaganda bonus will be used for some shields and photons

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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg184143#msg184143
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2010, 02:57:55 am »
Might be a bit too late, but what's with having immolations and no photons/sparks? I'm thinking our propaganda bonus will be used for some shields and photons
we're not putting in photons. we'll use firemasters as immolation fuel.

and yes, we will add more shields.
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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg184175#msg184175
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2010, 03:50:24 am »
Might be a bit too late, but what's with having immolations and no photons/sparks? I'm thinking our propaganda bonus will be used for some shields and photons
we're not putting in photons. we'll use firemasters as immolation fuel.

and yes, we will add more shields.
Problem with using fire eaters as fuel is that mulligan can screw us hard, and we have a net loss of :gravity. Indeed, I'm getting screwed in trying to build a deck because we have no novas and no creatures that have cost=<1 (trying to include reflective shields for UG)

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Re: Vault https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13831.msg184194#msg184194
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2010, 04:09:47 am »
Might be a bit too late, but what's with having immolations and no photons/sparks? I'm thinking our propaganda bonus will be used for some shields and photons
we're not putting in photons. we'll use firemasters as immolation fuel.

and yes, we will add more shields.
Problem with using fire eaters as fuel is that mulligan can screw us hard, and we have a net loss of :gravity. Indeed, I'm getting screwed in trying to build a deck because we have no novas and no creatures that have cost=<1 (trying to include reflective shields for UG)
You can check out what we have now in the deckbuilding post :D

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