Starting Vault Discussion

[Jenkar]

Discuss which cards should be in our starting vault. We start with 343 cards.

Vault building rules:
- at least 50% of cards have to be from your element
- maximum of 24 per card from your element (restriction doesn't apply to Pillars or Pendulums)
- maximum of 12 per card from other elements (restriction doesn't apply to Pillars or Pendulums)
- no Shards
Step 1 : Deck Categories
Very basic step. We need categories for decks. Categories should include 1-3 decks, with up to 6 categories.
Current proposals :

discord/BH stallscatatitansgrabbowspoisonmonos

Step 2 : Initial Deck building
Once categories are up, we will discuss initial decks.

[Calindu]

Make categories?

[vagman13]

Alright I 'll post a number of decks I have in mind (and have been suggested in team chat)and summarise the cards below.

Catatitans:

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 561 561 561 561 562 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pl

Disc/Blackhole x2 :

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4ve 4ve 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 55v 55v 55v 55v 55v 55v 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 745 745 745 8pj

Note that this is only a sample version,other versions might include novas,gravy nymphs etc etc...
Also note that this version is pretty slow,AKA the faster you can get a discord out is turn 3.Novas would work better with a posible turn 1 discord but we need our novas for our grabows(If we decide to make them).However It's a note for the future,If we salvage some novas to make our discoholes faster.

Grabow x 2:

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55q 55q 55t 55t 55t 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 590 590 590 590 590 590 5og 61q 61q 745 745 745 8pm

Gravity:  101
Pillar : 7
Pendulum:49
Titan: 6
Catapult: 4
Overdrive : 1
Sapphire Chargers : 12
Blackhole : 12
Momentum: 4
Gravity Pull : 6

Air: 7
Flying weapon : 5
Fog : 2

Entropy: 26
Abomination : 4
Discord : 8
Purple Dragon : 2
Nova : 12

Earth:  12
Graboid : 12

Aether : 4
Lightning : 4

Total: 150

[Jenkar]

All seem good. keep in mind that vault will probably have some space left for a filler, to make variations of other decks with. Also, having 2 different decks (5-10 card difference) will allow for a more diverse card pool for later rounds.

[vagman13]

Stalls:

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4vg 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 500 55m 55m 55m 55m 55m 55m 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 74b 74b 74b 8pj

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55p 55p 55p 55p 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 58v 58v 58v 595 595 595 595 595 595 596 596 596 596 596 596 8pm

Here we could add +6 plate armor and 2-3 pillars if we expect a really heavy creature opponent or a 40 card deckouter.

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55m 55m 55m 55m 55m 55m 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5li 5li 5li 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 74b 74b 74b 8pq

Gravity:  71
Pillar : 0
Pendulum: 49
Armagio: 12
Otyugh: 6
Gravity shield : 4

Entropy:  11
Dissipation shield: 4
Antimatter: 6
Purple Nymph: 1

Earth:  15
Pulveriser : 3
Basilisk Blood : 6
Iridium Warden : 6

Light : 9
Miracle : 3
Sanctuary : 6

Total:  106

[vagman13]

Monos:

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55o 55o 55o 55s 55s 562 562 562 562 562 562 576 576 576 576 576 576 8pl

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55m 55m 55m 55o 55o 55o 55s 55s 576 576 576 576 576 74b 74b 74b 8pl

Poison:

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55m 55m 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5ro 5ro 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5ru 5ru 8ps

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52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52r 52r 52u 52u 52u 52u 52u 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 8pk

Gravity:  98
Pillar : 15
Pendulum: 36
Titan: 4
Colossal dragons : 6
Acceleration  6:
Sapphire Chargers : 12
Armagio : 5
Otyugh : 3
Momentum : 11

Time : 10

Eternity : 2
Dune Scorpion : 6
Ghost of the past : 2

Death : 13
Poison : 4
Arsenic : 2
Deathstalker : 5
Bonewall : 2

Total : 121











Total Total (with the stuff suggested above):  377

Gravity: 270 ( critical cards, chargers 24, momentum 15 ,)
Entropy :  37 ( critical , novas 12)
Air : 7
Aether : 4
Earth : 27
Light : 9
Time : 10
Death : 13

My suggestions : Ditch the light stall and the time poison,use the rest as the solid base of our vault and fill the rest of the cards with joker cards.

EDIT : And pillars, we need to get as more pillars as we can afford.With this harsh discard,If we dont get enough pillars in our starting vault we will have to suicide pretty early,around round 5-6.No,converting 12 pillars per round is not enough.Pillars Pillars Pillars even at the cost of less joker cards!

[Calindu]

Vag, that poison deck(deathstalker one) looks very easy to be rushed, I suggest removing 1 deathstalker and 1 momentum and add 2 bonewalls.

[vagman13]

Nice Idea cal,precisely why I have put the decks up.FEEDBACK PEOPLEZ!

I ll make the changes in the previous posts.

[Jenkar]

Why 31 cards in dune poison deck? With eternity, deckout by 1 card doesn't seem... probable.

[Bhlewos]

One deck that IIRC Malebolgia developed as an anti-water strategy:

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58t 58t 58t 58t 58t 58t 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 745 745 745 745 55n 55n 55n 55n 55p 55p 55p 8pm

Gravity: 24
Pillars: 10
Chargers: 6
Mercs: 4
Gravity Shield: 4

Earth: 6
Plate Armor: 6

Total: 30

Feel free to tweak as you see fit.

[Calindu]

One deck that IIRC Malebolgia developed as an anti-water strategy:

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58t 58t 58t 58t 58t 58t 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 745 745 745 745 55n 55n 55n 55n 55p 55p 55p 8pm

Gravity: 24
Pillars: 10
Chargers: 6
Mercs: 4
Gravity Shield: 4

Earth: 6
Plate Armor: 6

Total: 30

Feel free to tweak as you see fit.

You forgot about poison rush and water stall.

[Bhlewos]

Just anti-water rush then. Poison/stalls would be a problem.