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War 2 Strategy Analysis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23548.msg300116#msg300116
« on: March 28, 2011, 03:39:59 pm »
I thought it might be easier on everyone if all the decks used against us in War 2 were consolidated into a single thread here.  I'll post each round in a separate post.  This hopefully will help us determine if there is any trend as to what strategy teams were most effective at using against us and what will likely we utilized against us in this war.

Round 1
Record: 2-9
*General vs. :fire : LOSS
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4so 4so 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f7 5f7 5lg 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9*Lieutenant vs. :death : LOSS (Note: Not sure if it was this deck or the one listed below which the Lieutenant faced)
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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52j 52o 52o 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 52t 542 542 542 542 542 542 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5oo 5oo 5oo*vs. :light : WIN
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576 576 576 5l8 5l8 5la 5la 5li 5li 5li 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ro 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rs 5rs*vs. :life : WIN
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5bu 5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c5 5c6 5c6 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 61q 61q 622 622 622 622 622 622*vs. :death : LOSS
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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52h 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q*vs. :earth : LOSS
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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 592 592 594 594 594 594 594 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa*vs. :air : LOSS
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4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vo 5od 5od 5of 5og 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7mu 7mu 7mu*vs. :darkness : LOSS
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4vh 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 5uo 5up 5up 5us 5us 5us 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606*vs. :light : LOSS
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5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 7jo 7jo 7k2 7k2 7k2 7laMy initial impression from studying Round 1 last war is that teams were most successful using hard stalls against us.  By my figuring 7 of the 9 decks that faced us were based around stalls instead of rushes.  Antimatter was a preferred choice in a stall it seems, along with Discord and Poison.  Three of the 9 battles featured decks using Antimatter stalls (2 with Discord also), and we lost every one of those matches.  The only match we really won against a stall was against the unupped light RT stall.  The other deck type that seemed to hurt us were poison decks.  Both the :death poison rush and the :light dune scorpion stall were successful.  If teams are doing their homework we can expect to see a heavy dose of :entropy and :death duos utilized against us early until we prove that we can stop them, especially Antimatter and Poison.  This first round is when we can expect the most prepared decks to face us since every team will still have their entire vault at their disposal so theoretically will be fielding their strongest decks against us.
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Re: War 2 Strategy Analysis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23548.msg300124#msg300124
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 04:01:31 pm »
Round 2
Record: 2-9
*General vs. :air : LOSS
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5of 5og 5ol 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 5uq 5uu 5uu 7td 7td 7td*Lieutenant vs. :darkness : LOSS
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4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 590 5on 5uk 5uk 5up 5up 5up 5ur 5us 5us 5uv 5uv 5uv 606 606 606 606 61q*vs. :life : LOSS
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 5c2 5c2 5c5 5c5 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5f6 5f6 5og 61q*vs. :entropy : LOSS
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4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 55t 55t 55t 55t 55t 55v 55v 55v 55v 6ts 6ts 6u5 6ve 6ve 6ve*vs. :water : LOSS
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5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ia 5ia 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5ol 5ol 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gt 7gt*vs. :aether : WIN
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5oi 5oi 5oi 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 61u 61u 61u*vs. :fire : LOSS
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5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5i7 5i7 5i7 5i7 5i7*vs. :earth : LOSS
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58o 58o 58o 58o 58u 58u 590 590 590 595 595 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fb 5fb 77e 77e 77e 77e 7dp 7dp*vs. :earth : WIN
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55q 55q 55r 55r 55r 55r 55r 58q 58q 58q 58q 58q 58t 58t 58t 58t 58v 58v 593 593 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aaIf Round 1 belonged to the stalls, Round 2 was dominated by the rushes.  Three matches faced either a nova or immo rush, all losses.  :fire doubled up with using another stall and won again.  Another card that showed up alot this round and looks to have hurt us was Owl's Eye.  Two of the decks featured it.  The other type of deck that seems to be prevalent are control decks.  Lots of quanta denial and/or heavy CC appears to have been very successful in shutting us down.  We still haven't had any success against a hard stall, although soft stalls seem to be what we the most success against in the first 2 rounds.
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Re: War 2 Strategy Analysis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23548.msg300132#msg300132
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 04:19:15 pm »
Round 3
Record: 3-9
*General vs. :air : WIN
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4ve 4vf 4vf 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vo 5od 5of 5of 5og 5oi 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu*Lieutenant vs. :time : WIN
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5f6 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk*vs. :time : LOSS
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 5rk 5rk 5rm 5rm 5rt 5rt 5rt 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 74a 74a 74a 7n0 7ri 7ri*vs. :light : WIN
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5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lh 5li 5li 5li 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rt 5rt 5rt*vs. :entropy : LOSS
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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52q 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi*vs. :fire : LOSS
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4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f6 5f6 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi*vs. :fire : LOSS
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4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f3 5f3 5f6 5f6 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5og*vs. :water : LOSS
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5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i9 5i9 5ib 5ib 5id 5id 5id 5id 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5ol 5ol*vs. :earth : LOSS
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4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 58v 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aaLost again to three nova decks, one of them being a poison one but we did have the lieutenant beat an immo rush.  Also lost to another Antimatter deck, although we did beat one as well albeit a poorly constructed :air deck my appearances.  :light tried dune scorps again which was successfully countered.  Three decks featured Discord, including two of them using the Nova/Discord combo.  To this point we still have never beaten a deck with Discord in War 2, so we can probably expect a heavy dose of it.
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Re: War 2 Strategy Analysis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23548.msg300138#msg300138
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 04:32:16 pm »
Round 4
Record: 3-5
*General vs. :darkness : WIN
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5ol 5ol 5on 5on 5on 5on 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5up 5up 5up 5uu 5uu 5uu 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606*Lieutenant vs. :entropy : LOSS
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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vn*vs. :fire : WIN
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5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f7 5f7 5f7 5i7 5i7 5i7 5i7 5i7*vs. :death : LOSS
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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52h 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q*vs. :aether : LOSS
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5ro 5ro 5ro 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61u 620 620 620 620 620 63a 63a 7n2 7n2 7n2*vs. :time : LOSS
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5rg 5rg 5rg 5ro 5rr 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 7q5 7q5 7q6 7q6 7tb 7tb*vs. :light : LOSS
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593 593 593 593 593 593 594 594 594 594 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5ld 5ld 5lh 5lh 5li 5li 5li 5li 5li 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq*vs. :water : WIN
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5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5c1 5c1 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 7gu 7gu 7guLost to another Discord/Antimatter deck, but did finally have some success against the soft :fire stall.  :death used the same Poison deck again and we still couldn't stop it.  :light put out another hard stall which we couldn't beat.  Hard stalls are going be a big challenge for us it seems.  It's seems the Nova rushes and the hard stalls are definitely the two deck types that we didn't have success at all against.
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Re: War 2 Strategy Analysis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23548.msg300142#msg300142
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 04:41:06 pm »
Round 5
Record: 3-2
*General vs. :light : WIN (:light suicide deck)
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52r 52r 52r 52r 55q 5c2 5c2 5c2 5f5 5f5 5f5 5f5 5f6 5f6 5f8 5f8 5f8 5f8 5i7 5lg 5lg 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rp 5rp 5up 5up*Lieutenant vs. :aether: WIN
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55k 55l 55l 55l 55l 55l 55p 55p 55s 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61r 61r 61s 61s 61s 61s 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a*vs. :aether : LOSS
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5ro 5ro 5ro 5rt 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61s 61t 61t 620 620 63a 7n2 7n2 7n2*vs. :fire : LOSS
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5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f6 5f6 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 63a 63a*vs. :darkness : WIN (:darkness suicide deck)
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Not too much to say really.  Beat two suicide decks and at this point everything is a mix and match of cards to cobble decks together.
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Re: War 2 Strategy Analysis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23548.msg300151#msg300151
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 04:51:12 pm »
Round 6
Record: 1-2
*General vs. :death : WIN
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52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52r 52r 542 542 542 542 542 5f6 5f6 5f6 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 718 718 718*vs. :air : LOSS
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5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oi 5oi 5oi 5ol 5om 5om 5om 5om 5om 5om 5p0 7n5 7n5 7n5*vs. :air : LOSS (No :air deck posted)
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Andrenaline mercs with forest scorpions seems to be the last deck left that can win for us at this point.

Round 7
Record: 1-1
*General vs. :entropy : LOSS
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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vn 4vn 4vn 500 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 5ol 5ol 5on 5on 5on 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo*Lieutenant vs. :death : WIN
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52g 52g 52g 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 542 542 542 542 542 590 590 590 590 590 595 5f6 5i7 5i7 5og
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Re: War 2 Strategy Analysis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23548.msg300277#msg300277
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 08:43:27 pm »
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Re: War 2 Strategy Analysis https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23548.msg300389#msg300389
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2011, 11:36:48 pm »
A great idea. nice work Tstar

 

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