Deck Ideas

[jmdt]

So lets talk about deck ideas.

Currently I have a list here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V1qkdsdKp13nyZXdXJuGzXeDHV59YnSz0JTU84uXJGw/edit?hl=en#

if you can see this, let me know.

We need to work on a consensus of our best decks so we can figure out how to construct our vault.

[jmdt]

Decks I definately like:

Fractal Chargers (master)

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[TStar]

We have a serious lack of Discord decks.  Our only one relies and BH, and both those effects can be countered with a single card.  We need more ways to make Discord versatile since I don't think many teams will really expect us to make much use of it outside of Discord/BH.

[jmdt]

What discord suggestions do you have?

[thatnewguy]

Quinted fire eaters needs a fire mark, not aether.

And for discord, we COULD make an AM + heavy discord deck. Or even run discord and chaos seeds off the mark/maybe some pends with CC and plain gravity control (31 cards).

I'm currently working on a master deck that is heavily resistant to PC, I'll get back to you later on that.

[Sir Valimont]

Discord is about 250% more useful in a deck where it can come on the 2nd or 3rd turn than it is in slower decks. The key to accomplishing that is in the type of quanta generated, and usually an Entropy mark is the best method in addition to Novas or first-turn Entropy pillars (not Gravity Pendulums). Building a deck around that concept is of course difficult for Gravity.

[TStar]

Been playing around with trying to find more uses for Voodoo Doll if we decide to go with them and came up with this.  I've been tweaking it over and over but I think this is about as good as I'll get right now so see if it's something we can make useful.  Also posted this on the googledoc.

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[Sir Valimont]

Been playing around with trying to find more uses for Voodoo Doll if we decide to go with them and came up with this.  I've been tweaking it over and over but I think this is about as good as I'll get right now so see if it's something we can make useful.  Also posted this on the googledoc.

Conceptually it looks very strong. I might remove the Titans in favor of more Gravity Pull. Gravity Pull is incredibly powerful in that deck since it can also be used for CC, and should not be underrated.

In general when deckbuilding keeping in mind that this is a 50%-per-element PvP event is important. Decks with absolutely no permanents are good to take against Fire, Entropy and Darkness for example because it wastes PC cards. Overall there are two basic deck types: Decks that are all-purpose and decks that are singular-purpose. For the first category there really are very very few possible choices because they have to be very powerful decks indeed ... and will almost always be rainbows of some kind. For the second category, it is important to resist the temptation to make decks versatile. A deck which is completely and utterly vulnerable is in reality no worse than a deck which is somewhat vulnerable to a certain opponent's deck; because of that, building decks with overkill in one particular area makes them more effective. All we need to do is correctly predict what the opponents will take. That of course is difficult, but our team will surpass all others in that regard.

[jmdt]

Trying to branch out into stalls as we have an ever increasing variety of rushes comming down the pike.  I like having a few > 30 card decks just to give the opponents something to think about.

Very similar to an idea tng was working on, but this seemed to work possibly better in some brief testing.   Take 's best stalling, 's best stalling, add a dose of growth offense.  We'll have to test it against potential war decks.

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Same guts, except stalling instead.

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You could look at fire cards and maybe bonewall, but those prolly wouldn't be as effective fr this particular build.

[thatnewguy]

I just put up a death deck for the general in google docs as a rough sketch using poison/stall/damage.

Should be strong against PC and CC at that, but weak against sanct (healing ftl), well then again maybe not.

Might be worth looking into.

[TStar]

If anyone can figure out how to speed this up consistently it can be a deadly deck.  I'm not sure how to get the consistency up anymore.

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Air mark is the ?

[einherjar145]

If anyone can figure out how to speed this up consistently it can be a deadly deck.  I'm not sure how to get the consistency up anymore.

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Air mark is the ?

maybe switch it with a couple of pens(air)?and mark of light?
or maybe add light pens and add a couple of air cards like wings?(consistency wise i think just get pens or make that for general/lieutenant to use.)