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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499096#msg499096
« Reply #216 on: May 16, 2012, 03:31:15 am »
@atom9
You are under the understandable delusion that shards are often obtained through donation.

Again, I'm not casting any aspersions on his character. This game is his creation, yes? Not the rules of play, but this unique iteration. Within this particular game there is a sort of fixed set of resources (cards) and then supply and demand are manipulated through the creation, alteration, and removal of the resources. You are seriously implying, that within a week of introduction of new resources, people are grinding and winning various events fast enough to have multiples?
I am implying that the majority of shards are obtained through grinding. The first people to obtain shards are the dedicated grinders (Some people spend hours per day playing EtG). This spreads over time. (1 week is unreasonable assumption. Fewer shards were gained in the first week of a new shard's release than you suspect.)

Most players gain shards by grinding over a much longer period of time.

You might have noticed the player demographics for this game is dominated by grinders.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499261#msg499261
« Reply #217 on: May 16, 2012, 11:27:52 am »
While i think this card is not op anymore, i still believe it has 0 place in the game. *sadpandafayce*
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499303#msg499303
« Reply #218 on: May 16, 2012, 01:59:34 pm »
Even as a :gravity fanboy I don't really like how it works.

It is just too abusive, despite its nerf.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499395#msg499395
« Reply #219 on: May 16, 2012, 05:22:49 pm »
While i think this card is not op anymore, i still believe it has 0 place in the game. *sadpandafayce*

you dont agree with having an "other" card that allows PC to every element? is it because the card itself is not balanced or is it because you think a form of PC should be given to other specific elements? just curious thats all :)

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499406#msg499406
« Reply #220 on: May 16, 2012, 05:33:07 pm »
I don't agree with the idea of cheap repeatable PC.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499409#msg499409
« Reply #221 on: May 16, 2012, 05:36:42 pm »
While i think this card is not op anymore, i still believe it has 0 place in the game. *sadpandafayce*

you dont agree with having an "other" card that allows PC to every element? is it because the card itself is not balanced or is it because you think a form of PC should be given to other specific elements? just curious thats all :)

I am interested in Jenkar's reason too.

However since I agree with the statement, I too will answer the question.
I feel that there is a place for an Other card that has a form of PC. However I would have preferred it to be a cheaper weaker version of elemental PC. Unfortunately this is a stronger (though hopefully eventually more expensive) version.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499427#msg499427
« Reply #222 on: May 16, 2012, 06:11:12 pm »
I am interested in Jenkar's reason too.

However since I agree with the statement, I too will answer the question.
I feel that there is a place for an Other card that has a form of PC. However I would have preferred it to be a cheaper weaker version of elemental PC. Unfortunately this is a stronger (though hopefully eventually more expensive) version.

so you think SoF should exist and have a place in the game if its ability wasnt what many people call, hard PC? would it be better for the game if it had something more like delaying or neutralizing permanents for a limited amount of time or something else?

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499434#msg499434
« Reply #223 on: May 16, 2012, 06:21:52 pm »
I am interested in Jenkar's reason too.

However since I agree with the statement, I too will answer the question.
I feel that there is a place for an Other card that has a form of PC. However I would have preferred it to be a cheaper weaker version of elemental PC. Unfortunately this is a stronger (though hopefully eventually more expensive) version.

so you think SoF should exist and have a place in the game if its ability wasnt what many people call, hard PC? would it be better for the game if it had something more like delaying or neutralizing permanents for a limited amount of time or something else?
Personnally, i do.

My main problem with SoFo is that it adds nothing to the game, but also retracts some bits of it. BE is now completely and utterly useless. (before it was only extremely useless). Pulvy fares barely better.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499457#msg499457
« Reply #224 on: May 16, 2012, 07:14:23 pm »
I am interested in Jenkar's reason too.

However since I agree with the statement, I too will answer the question.
I feel that there is a place for an Other card that has a form of PC. However I would have preferred it to be a cheaper weaker version of elemental PC. Unfortunately this is a stronger (though hopefully eventually more expensive) version.

so you think SoF should exist and have a place in the game if its ability wasnt what many people call, hard PC? would it be better for the game if it had something more like delaying or neutralizing permanents for a limited amount of time or something else?
Unfortunately a change from hard (devour) to soft PC would require too much of a change to the core idea for me to suggest it.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg499490#msg499490
« Reply #225 on: May 16, 2012, 07:54:40 pm »
so to summarize this last posts, SoF as it is adds nothing to the current metagame, it actually makes some cards (especially BE) less useful

SoF is still very powerfull as it gives hard PC, possibly renewable, for a quite cheap price, even cheaper to rainbows

suggesting a change on the card mechanics, basically changing its hard PC to soft PC or at the very least, stop it from being renewable imo, could work but it wouldnt be easy to do

from what i understood, some kind of berf or even a complete change to the card should be done to re-balance the game and give back some utility to cards like pulverizer and BE... so any good ideas on that?

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg505260#msg505260
« Reply #226 on: May 29, 2012, 01:42:02 am »
A 2-turn delay would be a good nerf.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg505269#msg505269
« Reply #227 on: May 29, 2012, 02:15:52 am »
An idea occurred to me of a fun and thematic way to nerf SoF...

Make it so that the SoF can be targeted both by CC and also by PC.  It would be a lot less OP if a Deflag could instakill it or, even better, a Steal could steal it.

This would partially alleviate the problem with the shard being practically immune to damage-based CC once it's eaten its first two victims...

 

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