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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476153#msg476153
« Reply #180 on: March 31, 2012, 05:10:53 am »
So I lose up to 36 quanta that my opponent gets back at health for destroying one of their permanents in addition to spending 7 quanta on a shard?

It doesn't need to resemble the black hole. Maybe a minor black hole which drains only 1 quanta in each element. And the initial cost can be changed to 3 or 4

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476163#msg476163
« Reply #181 on: March 31, 2012, 05:46:19 am »
Yes, make a card that is other but force it to be in a mono deck. Would any sane person pay twelve quanta and heal the opponent just for a cost decrease in playing down a card as well as a single permanent destruction? Only 36 quanta in rainbow? ONLY 36? Yes, because getting 36 quanta is so easy and you're never going to use those quantums later at all. you should really hear some of your arguments.


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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476168#msg476168
« Reply #182 on: March 31, 2012, 05:52:57 am »
Why do rainbows have to be the best use of cards? Why -not- have a shard thats better in a mono environment?  I support his idea.

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476173#msg476173
« Reply #183 on: March 31, 2012, 06:54:54 am »
Yes, make a card that is other but force it to be in a mono deck. Would any sane person pay twelve quanta and heal the opponent just for a cost decrease in playing down a card as well as a single permanent destruction? Only 36 quanta in rainbow? ONLY 36? Yes, because getting 36 quanta is so easy and you're never going to use those quantums later at all. you should really hear some of your arguments.
Okay, then let's reduce it to "Drain up to 2 quanta from up to 5 quanta pools"

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476175#msg476175
« Reply #184 on: March 31, 2012, 07:07:01 am »
When I said it should have an activation cost, I mentioned 2-3 :rainbow. Up to 2 from up to 5 pools is probably up to 7 :rainbow too much.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476229#msg476229
« Reply #185 on: March 31, 2012, 11:21:39 am »
maybe having an activation cost that would lower considerably if you have gravity mark? like 5 :rainbow to activate ability or just 3  :rainbow if using mark of gravity? could be used by raimbows but they would usually pay a lot more quanta to use it wich seems fine by me

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476316#msg476316
« Reply #186 on: March 31, 2012, 05:15:44 pm »
the increased does more to hinder its use in a mono or duo environment than in a rainbow environment, that much should be clear.  i think reducing the number of base uses (by either increasing the hp gain or reducing the hp 'goal') would be a better path to balance the card than increasing the cost. maintaining the current cost but adding an activation cost seems like it would have the same drawback as increasing the base cost of the card.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476361#msg476361
« Reply #187 on: March 31, 2012, 06:47:05 pm »
Maybe make it drain your quanta like a black hole every time you activate the shard ?

Then we can lower the initial cost a bit.
maybe drain 12 quanta if your mark is :gravity

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476430#msg476430
« Reply #188 on: March 31, 2012, 10:39:51 pm »
reducing the usages is my prefered nerf. However a balanced activation cost is my 2nd choice.
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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg476454#msg476454
« Reply #189 on: March 31, 2012, 11:27:46 pm »
reducing the usages is my prefered nerf. However a balanced activation cost is my 2nd choice.
maybe a mix of both nerfs could work as well

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg477699#msg477699
« Reply #190 on: April 05, 2012, 01:31:41 pm »
Did some testing in the trainer and it's not as OP with the increased cost. I would like to see it less appealing to non-gravity, however.

I would like to see black hole card get drawn instead of dumped in your deck if your mark is not gravity. May even be able to lower the cost with this.

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Re: Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg486897#msg486897
« Reply #191 on: April 25, 2012, 01:57:44 am »
Question: can mutated creatures now gain accretion (Shard of focus’ effect)?
 
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