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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg444646#msg444646
« Reply #96 on: January 03, 2012, 03:17:14 am »

Two of these and two Novas would be the end of pillars and pendulums, with a Black Hole on turn 3 if you're using Mark of Gravity.  How on earth is that balanced?

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg444650#msg444650
« Reply #97 on: January 03, 2012, 03:26:58 am »

Two of these and two Novas would be the end of pillars and pendulums, with a Black Hole on turn 3 if you're using Mark of Gravity.  How on earth is that balanced?
Yep nova makes a card like this get scary and black hole is most definitely not the right card to put with something that can early pillars at will.

I don't mind the hp growth mechanic, or the PC mechanic, but both cards together in shard form with a black hole maker is  :o

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg444652#msg444652
« Reply #98 on: January 03, 2012, 03:35:20 am »

Two of these and two Novas would be the end of 4 pillars and pendulums, with a Black Hole on turn 3(or as late as 7 depending on your luck with :rainbow) if you're using Mark of Gravity.  How on earth is that balanced?
Good point to consider. (the yellow removed the hyperbole)
10 :rainbow is likely to remove at least 1 :gravity out of the 2 novas
12 :rainbow of the next 2 turns is likely to remove at least 1 more produced by the mark
So turn 5 black hole would be my estimate

2 Novas + 2 SoFs -> Destroy 4 Pillars and gain 2 cards.
That is a -2:-4 card advantage (if playing Gravity otherwise it is the irrelevant -4:-4).

How would you fix this concern assuming Black Hole were changed to Gravity Pull or another card?
(I must admit pseudoquanta like requiring quanta matching the mark in the casting cost would be nice but lets look elsewhere for now)
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg444763#msg444763
« Reply #99 on: January 03, 2012, 01:37:46 pm »
To get out more than 4 pillars within 5 turns your deck needs to be severely overquantaed. Also, Black Hole coming late is not a problem, if you are going for the denial route you'll have access to discord, quicksand and possibly pests too.

But that's not the problem with SoF. The problem is that PC is ALWAYS useful (except vs immolation rushes), and having repeatable, consistent, fast and cheap PC in EVERY DECK is not a good addition to the game.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg444795#msg444795
« Reply #100 on: January 03, 2012, 02:38:57 pm »
To get out more than 4 pillars within 5 turns your deck needs to be severely overquantaed. Also, Black Hole coming late is not a problem, if you are going for the denial route you'll have access to discord, quicksand and possibly pests too.

But that's not the problem with SoF. The problem is that PC is ALWAYS useful (except vs immolation rushes), and having repeatable, consistent, fast and cheap PC in EVERY DECK is not a good addition to the game.
We just need more counter PC.
What we have so far: cloak and enchant artifact. I think fire could have some explosive runes, for example.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg444807#msg444807
« Reply #101 on: January 03, 2012, 03:05:23 pm »
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We just need more counter PC.
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Maybe zanz is planning something like...
Shard of *whatever* ; everytime a permenant of yours gets destroyed , deal 5 dmg to opponent , 10 if your mark is *whatever*

EDIT ; I still think shard of focus is OP and it shouldn't become whether you have SoF or its hard counter.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg444820#msg444820
« Reply #102 on: January 03, 2012, 04:05:39 pm »
"We just need more counter PC."
Hmm probably You are right but I don't want to have situation when I must use protect FeralBond or SoulCatcher because all Players can destroy it so easily. So permaments have no sense... Most players will decide to put Heal instead FeralBond, or more Towers instead SC etc.
What is more - in my opinion when I have Sanctuary and put it in game it should be ALWAYS unreachable for BH, Discord etc. It is counter and it should protect me always like PA protect permaments, like Deflagration destroy forever permaments... Sanctuary effect should be also always and forever like other counters. Now mono gravity can laugh at Sanctuary... Easy to kill permament, BH in hand and rage quit opponent ;) Huge nerf for Light, especially when Light hasn't got CC. No no no. It is bad idea, very bad. PC for Gravity? Ok, no problem. But not for all and not with BH.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg444859#msg444859
« Reply #103 on: January 03, 2012, 06:20:26 pm »
Perhaps this has been addressed already, and I have not been able to find it, if so forgive me.  However the text on the card seems to be vague.  Does it in some way infer that you have any control over the destructive ability at all?  Does it limit the ability to the opponent, is it randomized, or God forbid only target your permanents?  Could you be risking your own permanents as well as the opponents, this to me would seem to make this weapon cut both ways, and would do much for balancing a seemingly OP card mechanic.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg445246#msg445246
« Reply #104 on: January 04, 2012, 03:54:15 pm »
I would put 6 of those in my decks, with 6 grav pulls and 6 rewinds to keep sucking even the oponent's pilars. Then, with some creatures I may do the attaking stuff.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg445255#msg445255
« Reply #105 on: January 04, 2012, 04:42:43 pm »
Perhaps this has been addressed already, and I have not been able to find it, if so forgive me.  However the text on the card seems to be vague.  Does it in some way infer that you have any control over the destructive ability at all?  Does it limit the ability to the opponent, is it randomized, or God forbid only target your permanents?  Could you be risking your own permanents as well as the opponents, this to me would seem to make this weapon cut both ways, and would do much for balancing a seemingly OP card mechanic.
Through the words of zanz in other threads and chat, we know that its ability is intended to be active (triggered by clicking) and targeting (player's choice)

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg445261#msg445261
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg446833#msg446833
« Reply #107 on: January 07, 2012, 10:29:37 pm »
Maybe this:
Each turn, destroys a random permanent and gains +0|+10. Turn into a black hole if HP > 25, generate black hole and lose this ability instead if mark is gravity.
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