Shard of Focus | Shard of Focus

[OdinVanguard]

What if its activation cost also drained some of each non- quanta if mark is not ?
If the amount drained was also based on current hp, that would definitely enforce use of a gravity mark.

E.g. if using accretion drained 1 of each non- quanta for every 10 hp when mark is not , rainbow decks would be very wary of using it without the right mark, while mono and duos would take a somewhat smaller hit.

[OldTrees]

What if its activation cost also drained some of each non- quanta if mark is not ?
If the amount drained was also based on current hp, that would definitely enforce use of a gravity mark.

E.g. if using accretion drained 1 of each non- quanta for every 10 hp when mark is not , rainbow decks would be very wary of using it without the right mark, while mono and duos would take a somewhat smaller hit.

So only the  mark rainbows would be ridiculously OP? I think you missed the point. We want to make it so it is not OP in any deck.

[OdinVanguard]

What if its activation cost also drained some of each non- quanta if mark is not ?
If the amount drained was also based on current hp, that would definitely enforce use of a gravity mark.

E.g. if using accretion drained 1 of each non- quanta for every 10 hp when mark is not , rainbow decks would be very wary of using it without the right mark, while mono and duos would take a somewhat smaller hit.

So only the  mark rainbows would be ridiculously OP? I think you missed the point. We want to make it so it is not OP in any deck.

Hmm... what if it just drains 1 (or maybe more) of each non quanta per 10 hp regardless of mark.
That should make rainbow decks think twice before spamming them as they will lose 11 or more quanta for each use. Decks with fewer quanta types will not be hit as hard, but they will also have less to spend on casting it in the first place.
It also reinforces the benefit to using it in a based deck since that will be the only quanta type not affected, but mono will still have to contend with the high cost to pull it out to begin with.

[OldTrees]

What if its activation cost also drained some of each non- quanta if mark is not ?
If the amount drained was also based on current hp, that would definitely enforce use of a gravity mark.

E.g. if using accretion drained 1 of each non- quanta for every 10 hp when mark is not , rainbow decks would be very wary of using it without the right mark, while mono and duos would take a somewhat smaller hit.

So only the  mark rainbows would be ridiculously OP? I think you missed the point. We want to make it so it is not OP in any deck.

Hmm... what if it just drains 1 (or maybe more) of each non quanta per 10 hp regardless of mark.
That should make rainbow decks think twice before spamming them as they will lose 11 or more quanta for each use. Decks with fewer quanta types will not be hit as hard, but they will also have less to spend on casting it in the first place.
It also reinforces the benefit to using it in a based deck since that will be the only quanta type not affected, but mono will still have to contend with the high cost to pull it out to begin with.

The most problematic combo only needs the  prior to the Accreation. After Shard of Focus is played the focus is on  . Aka you are still not nerfing the problem.

[OdinVanguard]

What if its activation cost also drained some of each non- quanta if mark is not ?
If the amount drained was also based on current hp, that would definitely enforce use of a gravity mark.

E.g. if using accretion drained 1 of each non- quanta for every 10 hp when mark is not , rainbow decks would be very wary of using it without the right mark, while mono and duos would take a somewhat smaller hit.

So only the  mark rainbows would be ridiculously OP? I think you missed the point. We want to make it so it is not OP in any deck.

Hmm... what if it just drains 1 (or maybe more) of each non quanta per 10 hp regardless of mark.
That should make rainbow decks think twice before spamming them as they will lose 11 or more quanta for each use. Decks with fewer quanta types will not be hit as hard, but they will also have less to spend on casting it in the first place.
It also reinforces the benefit to using it in a based deck since that will be the only quanta type not affected, but mono will still have to contend with the high cost to pull it out to begin with.

The most problematic combo only needs the  prior to the Accreation. After Shard of Focus is played the focus is on  . Aka you are still not nerfing the problem.

I see... So the nerf needs to be applied at or prior to casting as well, correct?
Would having the drain trigger on both casting and activation along with adding a small activation cost help? E.g.:
1) Casting and activation drain 1 of each non- quanta.
2) Give accretion a moderate activation cost (maybe 3 )

So, rainbow deck use would be heavily nerfed since it will effectively use roughly 17 quanta to cast a single shard and another 14 to use its ability. Decks with fewer quanta types will have a lower effective casting and activation cost since there would be fewer types to drain.
Another way to look at it: making full use of the shard in a rainbow deck would be almost like casting 1.33 blackholes on yourself (lose 4 of every type of quanta except )

[OldTrees]

The most problematic combo only needs the  prior to the Accreation. After Shard of Focus is played the focus is on  . Aka you are still not nerfing the problem.

I see... So the nerf needs to be applied at or prior to casting as well, correct?
Would having the drain trigger on both casting and activation along with adding a small activation cost help? E.g.:
1) Casting and activation drain 1 of each non- quanta.
2) Give accretion a moderate activation cost (maybe 3 )

So, rainbow deck use would be heavily nerfed since it will effectively use roughly 17 quanta to cast a single shard and another 14 to use its ability. Decks with fewer quanta types will have a lower effective casting and activation cost since there would be fewer types to drain.
Another way to look at it: making full use of the shard in a rainbow deck would be almost like casting 1.33 blackholes on yourself (lose 4 of every type of quanta except )

The activation cost goes a long way towards slowing down the combo and requiring a fair cost.

The drain combined with an activation cost promotes quantum pillars over nova. This slows the combo down further.

[UndeadSpider1990]

Hmm... what if it just drains 1 (or maybe more) of each non quanta per 10 hp regardless of mark.

So the ability is like a mini-black hole on yourself but the HP goes to the shard? I like that idea! It has a nice inverse-nova / black hole ring to it, though I dunno how practical that is as a fix.

[sieglsiegl]

Can you destroy a permanent to gain the +0/+15 multiple times?

[Vangelios]

Can you destroy a permanent to gain the +0/+15 multiple times?

not only to 45 hp

[ash le sombre]

i hate this card & all the shards !
it's becomes unplayable (focus + devourer + black hole)
it becomes painful to see always the same decks !

[honewell]

The AI targeting needs to be changed for SoF

when playing against AI the SoF is targeted by shockwaves, snipers, drain lifes etc... , which allows the shard to destroy more permanents. It doesn't make any sense for the AI to target SoF with damage unless it only has 1 HP. otherwise the card only gets stronger.

although i do love it when this happens to me... 

If this has already been discussed my apologies, this thread is hella long.

[kimham8a]

The AI targeting needs to be changed for SoF

when playing against AI the SoF is targeted by shockwaves, snipers, drain lifes etc... , which allows the shard to destroy more permanents. It doesn't make any sense for the AI to target SoF with damage unless it only has 1 HP. otherwise the card only gets stronger.

although i do love it when this happens to me... 

If this has already been discussed my apologies, this thread is hella long.

Really? I find the AI targets this card last, to the point of making itself lose the game by not using its CC on my SoFo. It seems to hit it only if its the only card on your field, and somewhat reluctantly at that.