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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg17380#msg17380
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2010, 07:07:42 pm »
o do believe that nobody needs experience at all to state a comment about something! what the heck you think your are?

dont take it personally either, but - please - respect the freedom of opinion of everyone to state a comment about anything everywhere! you dont have to agree with them, but i dont think its up to you to decide who is experienced and or who are allowed to post something (if it is political correct and so on).

so back to toppic. i dont think this card was initially designed to counter rainbow decks. i hope so. because if i'm wrong, i think this whole "process" should be stopped by all means and more backup.

you will ever have some balance issues. in every game and the more the game proceeds in development. ever and ever again. and i do not think that the right instrument to face this problem is to introduce new NERF cards. because this is e never ending story and to one point all you are doing is to nerf a nerf card. destroying the whole game dynamics by means of new improvements.

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg17387#msg17387
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2010, 07:20:53 pm »
I didn't say you can't post because you're inexperienced. And you ARE inexperienced. And I think I'm a player who has been following and analyzing the metagame discussions since last august.

I said you should try avoiding posting SUCH comments. You say the card is useless, you don't really explain anything interesting, you clearly don't care reading the pages of comments that have been posted before yours and you end with an Apocalyptic and drammatical view on how the game is going to be destroyed by a single card. Do you call it a constructive comment? I don't. And I don't think anyone else does. One of the reasons why nymphs are being added is GIVING POWER TO MONO/DUO DECKS and not giving new weapons to the rainbow ones, which don't need any. I don't agree with everyone here, but I fully respect their views. I don't respect your because it's destructive and uncomplete. Trio decks aren't THAT popular nowadays, and I already told you a discord won't easily find place in a GRAVITY deck since entropy doesn't synergyzes as well as many elements with gravity. Try to EXPLAIN your ideas. And try not to be like:

ZOMG thiz card eez rly rly terrible. It sucks. If you play it with a discord it will destroy the whole game omg! ONLY LIFE AND DARKNESS CAN HEAL! ONLY DARKNESS CAN SUCK QUANTA! OMGOMG don't introduce this in elements or it will ruin it etc. etc.

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg17615#msg17615
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2010, 03:06:15 pm »
This is an one time effect, so i doubt it is a rainbow killer.
The nymph on the other hand... CRIKEY!!!

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg17624#msg17624
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2010, 03:34:53 pm »
I wonder if one can be able to quanta drain rainbow with 6 nymphs out  8)

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg17711#msg17711
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2010, 07:45:28 pm »
This is an one time effect, so i doubt it is a rainbow killer.
The nymph on the other hand... CRIKEY!!!
It could still cripple a rainbow deck if played early.

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg17716#msg17716
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2010, 07:49:47 pm »
Rainbow deck usually plays low-cost creatures so one should play this as soon as the rainbow player has 2-3 of every quanta to get the max effect..

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg17865#msg17865
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2010, 05:26:43 am »
precognition could let you know what quanta he's hoping for too.

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg18172#msg18172
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2010, 10:19:23 pm »
He had a point though. If this card is such a 'Rainbow Killer' - why then is it limited to Gravity? Shouldn't other Mono decks have an equal/or at least some way of battling a Rainbow Deck.

I think this card will see an initial grind-fest and then it will slowly drop out of favor. While the healing effect it gives is good, you would ultimately have to cast it when your opponent has 3x of each Quanta, giving the maximum possible 36 health returned. You would have to use pillar denial, such as Earthquakes and Deflagration/Pulverizer to make the most out of this card. And as such, this card will 'only' feature in Gravity/Earth Duo's or the adventurous Rainbow player. As said before, the true strength of this card lies in getting it 'and' casting it early on (perhaps with Precognition) to stop your opponent from getting the quanta he needs. It will, for better or for worse, add a new dynamic to pillar denial decks (prior to this card they had very limited ways of removing the Quanta a player already accumulated - Supernova's etc.)

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg18174#msg18174
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2010, 11:10:08 pm »
He had a point though. If this card is such a 'Rainbow Killer' - why then is it limited to Gravity? Shouldn't other Mono decks have an equal/or at least some way of battling a Rainbow Deck.
Not much different than Time with card draw.

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg18276#msg18276
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2010, 08:34:37 pm »
My point exactly, Coinich. We see a lot of Mark of Time and Mark of Entropy (Hourglass for card advantage and Supernova for quick injections of quanta respectively). And after these new cards are implemented I'm guessing there will be a real increase in pillar-denial (I know for a fact that a lot of people in the chat-room are trying as hard as they can to get more discords.).

 Should we not give some more power to mono decks to counter-balance the supremacy of Rainbows? Especially Air which is weak as hell right now.

I just have mixed views about this card, time will tell whether I am wrong and that the card is awesome :). I guess it's just up to the clever players and deck-builders to show me how wrong i am.

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Re: New Card: Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg27087#msg27087
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2010, 10:51:20 pm »
Can heal 36 hp. WOW.

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Re: Black Hole | Black Hole https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1894.msg163804#msg163804
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2010, 12:25:48 am »
One of those cards you love and hate!

 

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