Theory of a New Element

[Ekki]

Moral/Immoral, or Good/Evil, is reallllly border line light/darkness.  I'd just fold it in there.  I know people are going to say DARKNESS ISN'T EVIL WAAAAAH.  I think of it more like DnD good/evil.

Just in defence of my idea. Good and Evil are opinions. If you want to do something Evil, you might be doing something other could consider Good, and vice versa.
Also, Light/Darkness represent an energy and the lack of that energy, with all the spiritual stuff behind. But that doesn't mean that Light is Good and Evil is Bad, not even from the perspective of Elements.
It also fits with the theme of sentient beings and Mind/Psyche, thus it can be somehow reasonable (although I disagree adding it to the game).

Also,  is creation, at least in the game. In the game, life can't just control all the creatures (since they are alive), but it can heal, and breed, and all that.

I consider the elementals as beings made entirely from their elements, and some "other" stuff (to avoid saying an elemental is only Gravity). That way, we can see a Psyche elemental as some "other" stuff being controlled by an immaterial psyche.

I say "other" referring to an equal combination of all the elements, thus can't be controlled easily by one element by itself.

As I believe, this can only be used to make the theory of a card/story, but not to change the metagame nor the game. It's just some random -friendly- discussion.

[Hyroen]

Should I create a poll for everyone to vote for their favourite "new" element?

[ZephyrPhantom]

Should I create a poll for everyone to vote for their favourite "new" element?

Go ahead, I think the best way to implement the "new" element is the FG "suprise week" suggestion.

Our current options are:

Blood and Spirit (idea by Patchx / Hyroen)
Concious and Subconcious (idea by Nepycros/Zblader/Everyone else in the 12 Realms story group that helped)
Moral and Immoral (Refinement of the Good/Evil concept)
Void (by Stickmasterluke)

[Ekki]

Go ahead, I think the best way to implement the "new" element is the FG "suprise week" suggestion.

^^This, the idea sounds great.

[Hyroen]

Poll added.

Please keep an open mind as this is healthy conversation and new elements don't always have to cost new quanta, nor do they need a new Oracle wheel area.

Feel free to add suggestions for the poll but keep in mind that this thread is not for the purpose of the poll. We are to discuss if new elements could be added and the implications of such an idea.

[Rutarete]

Wow this is getting heated.

First, i say this: Concepts relate to beings. (this works for element s/als)
can you imagine a Conscious(ness) Elemental? A Blood Elemental? Void Elemental?

And i'd like everyone to look at the elements we have so far in this way:

Everything
 /   \
  
 /         \
 
 \   /
Nothing

To clarify my pyramid-shape thingy: Time is relative to Existence, as is Aether, which relates to matter. Time is intangible and Aether is the physical. This is the most general way to sum up the parts of Everything. All the other 10 elements we have fall under Time and Aether. Then, on the opposite end of my pyramid-shape thingy, is Nothing, Which technically exists yet doesn't (see note below). The reason Nothing is at the bottom is because with each category, the amount gets smaller and smaller. So eventually, if you split up all the categories enough, Nothing will exist.

Now, looking at some of the options in the poll:
Blood, as i see it, relates to life force/energy which i put under life.
Void, i relate to Nothing
Spirit i relate also to life, because it's just a less physical (and often transparent) form of life.
So i think i pretty much reject all the poll ideas so far except the subconscious one.

The subconscious one interests me because i recently learned a little about the quantum theory. So if you were to put quanta into my Shape above, it would be just above Nothing.

(If you're going to discuss Nothing, do it in a pm with me, not in this thread; it would get off topic and too opinional)

[Hyroen]

I've kind of always seen Moral and Immoral to apply to all the elements.

For example, if you had the dominion over Air would you use it to rescue someone from falling or would you remove all the air out of your enemies?

Each element in my opinion has this duality which is why I wouldn't really consider them elements, more like particular axes of each element.

[OldTrees]

I've kind of always seen Moral and Immoral to apply to all the elements.

For example, if you had the dominion over Air would you use it to rescue someone from falling or would you remove all the air out of your enemies?

Each element in my opinion has this duality which is why I wouldn't really consider them elements, more like particular axes of each element.

Very similar to the above,
A quick test to determine if something can be a new element:
Does an Air elemental have it? Consciousness, Morality, Immorality, Subconsciousness.
Does an Earth elemental have it? Consciousness, Morality, Immorality, Subconsciousness.
If Yes and Yes then it is not an element
If Yes and No then it is part of Air
If No and Yes then it is part of Earth
If No and No then it Might be a new element

PS: I do not think Elementals are nor ever were Alive. They are non living entities in my book.

[Ekki]

I've kind of always seen Moral and Immoral to apply to all the elements.

For example, if you had the dominion over Air would you use it to rescue someone from falling or would you remove all the air out of your enemies?

Each element in my opinion has this duality which is why I wouldn't really consider them elements, more like particular axes of each element.

Very similar to the above,
A quick test to determine if something can be a new element:
Does an Air elemental have it? Consciousness, Morality, Immorality, Subconsciousness.
Does an Earth elemental have it? Consciousness, Morality, Immorality, Subconsciousness.
If Yes and Yes then it is not an element
If Yes and No then it is part of Air
If No and Yes then it is part of Earth
If No and No then it Might be a new element

PS: I do not think Elementals are nor ever were Alive. They are non living entities in my book.

I have always seen all elements as part of one same thing. IMO, all elements have point in common, thus all elementals have and control a bit of every element.
I guess if all elementals have it, it's because it might be part of another element. Just my point of view.

[GG]

Also, Starcraft 2 needs a new race, Xel'Naga.

Also, you know what Counter Strike needs? Aliens. And weapons that shoot laser beams.


Seriously. Don't touch the core of a game.

This.

[Kael Hate]

Topic is Going Nowhere positive.

It is already filled with destructive argumentation about the nature of things in real life that are personal reflections about spirituality and nothing to do with game theory or architecture at all.