When should I stop farming AI3? v1.29

[Toge111]

You're forgetting you're getting cards.

- I know, but cards are worth about 1150, games take a long time and not every win is accompanied with card. Do you think the rewards would match that 2000 electrum/hour you get from farming AI3 with speed EM deck?

[zhangvict]

You're forgetting you're getting cards.

- I know, but cards are worth about 1150, games take a long time and not every win is accompanied with card. Do you think the rewards would match that 2000 electrum/hour you get from farming AI3 with speed EM deck?

I think you are referring to this topic: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.0 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.0)

Its 1.7k in 69 minutes according to one poster who did 50 games, not 2k an hour. First, this is a compleatly upped deck. Liquid antimatter is unupped. And also, LA has a fgei of 3k, which is 2 times the gains of the speed EM deck. Zaen himself won 6 games in 1 hour, which should lead to an expected amount of 3 upped cards, but he got bad luck and only won 2.

[Toge111]

I think you are referring to this topic: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.0 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.0)

Its 1.7k in 69 minutes according to one poster who did 50 games, not 2k an hour. First, this is a compleatly upped deck. Liquid antimatter is unupped. And also, LA has a fgei of 3k, which is 2 times the gains of the speed EM deck. Zaen himself won 6 games in 1 hour, which should lead to an expected amount of 3 upped cards, but he got bad luck and only won 2.

- This study has 200 games per deck and top decks gain over 2000 electrum/hour.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21923.0

[Jenkar]

Yes, with a fully upped deck. If you go fully upped to farm AI5 you'd get about 5* that.

Also, keep in mind LA is NOT meant for veterans. It's a starter point on which to build better, upgraded decks. In unupped deck category, i daresay you won't find an AI3 farmer with 2k $/h

[zhangvict]

I think you are referring to this topic: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.0 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10563.0)

Its 1.7k in 69 minutes according to one poster who did 50 games, not 2k an hour. First, this is a compleatly upped deck. Liquid antimatter is unupped. And also, LA has a fgei of 3k, which is 2 times the gains of the speed EM deck. Zaen himself won 6 games in 1 hour, which should lead to an expected amount of 3 upped cards, but he got bad luck and only won 2.

- This study has 200 games per deck and top decks gain over 2000 electrum/hour.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21923.0

Wow nice, I never realized that thread existed before. Anyways, all ai3 EM speed decks are compleatly upped, and even the best at 2k elec per hour is inferior to a 100% unupped liquid antimatter. Anyways, nobody should be buying a ai3 speed EM deck before they buy a false god farmer like instosis, which gives 11k/hour according to Sev's stats. Ninja'd by Jenkar.

BTW message to the OP: I forgot to mention, you only need 3 shards to readinesss to make instosis work. You can just replace the 4th shard with a paralell universe. The downside is you need chimera more often, but I explained a bit in the instosis thread somewhere how it's not that bad. It is probably better for a partially unupped instosis to have 3 shards anyway, to prevent  from being sucked by the 4th shard. Maybe you can just use a 3 shard instosis, get the money you want, and farm the 4th shard later when collecting other rares like Sosac and SoSe in the bronze arena.

[pulli23]

I myself went first for 6 upgraded ray of lights + 3 electrocutors. After that I build rol-hope and slowly worked to steadily upgrade the deck. - Once I had fully upgraded rol/hope I simply waited till I could buy instosis and bought that..

Farming 9 upgrades through (about 14000 cash in total) is quite easy - I found that easier than to annoy myself with LA.

[zaen]

I myself went first for 6 upgraded ray of lights + 3 electrocutors. After that I build rol-hope and slowly worked to steadily upgrade the deck. - Once I had fully upgraded rol/hope I simply waited till I could buy instosis and bought that..

Farming 9 upgrades through (about 14000 cash in total) is quite easy - I found that easier than to annoy myself with LA.

I can echo that.  I just went 27 games (skipped or lost) before winning one with unupped LA.  That alone was very disheartening and I can totally understand why I was supposed to have 2-3K + electrum (per another post) just for bad days.  That amount is a lot for me at this stage.  I sat down and grinded with the cheap AI3 rush death mono and life mono decks for 1 hour each.  Regardless of the efficiency scores I saw earlier, I made 808 (38:2 w/l) and 764 (36:5 w/l) respectively in those separate hour runs.

Without selling won cards, if I just assume a 750 electrum an hour grind now, Instosis is quite far away.  That partial rol/hope deck at $14k seems attractive since the variance on unupped LA is a bit too high for my bank account.  My first hour run at LA netted me 2 upped cards and -208 electrum, so a gain of 2k for that hour.  That is more than double the AI3 grinding.  However, if I add in the last 28 games (27 skips/losses and 1 win with no card), I'm back down to ~$1k an hour. 

Dunno, I could just grind out and casually have fun in AI3 until I go for the partial rol/hope or instosis, or go the frustrating but slightly more lucrative unupped LA method.  Honestly, dunno, but after that last hour of 27 skip+losses and 1 win...meh

[zaen]

Just finished another 22 games to get me to 50 attempted.

50 games in <2 hours:
31 skipped 19 played --- Given the 15:14 ratio of skip:play, that's just a bad day.
19 played --- 4 wins, 4 miracle losses (couldn't prevent them by doing enough damage at the end), 2 neptune deckouts, and 2 misplays against Seism and Rainbow ( didn't antimatter early enough since I was waiting on a liquid shadow).
0 upped cards.
1500 electrum cost to play, 4 wins with a 241 electrum return, net -1259 electrum loss.

Although I did have success earlier with LA, this is just too variable for me.  I'll slowly grind AI3 and farm the rest of the cards I need anyhow and will do a partially upped rol/hope or instosis when I get there.

Thanks!

[furballdn]

Just finished another 22 games to get me to 50 attempted.

50 games in <2 hours:
31 skipped 19 played --- Given the 15:14 ratio of skip:play, that's just a bad day.
19 played --- 4 wins, 4 miracle losses (couldn't prevent them by doing enough damage at the end), 2 neptune deckouts, and 2 misplays against Seism and Rainbow ( didn't antimatter early enough since I was waiting on a liquid shadow).
0 upped cards.
1500 electrum cost to play, 4 wins with a 241 electrum return, net -1259 electrum loss.

Although I did have success earlier with LA, this is just too variable for me.  I'll slowly grind AI3 and farm the rest of the cards I need anyhow and will do a partially upped rol/hope or instosis when I get there.

Thanks!

Yyyyyeah. LA isn't that great some days. You could always wait until you got unupped CCYB, flay'em, or rol/hope.

[eaglgenes101]

I'm playing Limitless speed FG OTK (partially upped thanks to the cards it has grinded out). After I get it fully upped, I'll farm bronze for shards, then build Instosis.
That is, if SoR isn't nerfed halfway.

[zhangvict]

Just finished another 22 games to get me to 50 attempted.

50 games in <2 hours:
31 skipped 19 played --- Given the 15:14 ratio of skip:play, that's just a bad day.
19 played --- 4 wins, 4 miracle losses (couldn't prevent them by doing enough damage at the end), 2 neptune deckouts, and 2 misplays against Seism and Rainbow ( didn't antimatter early enough since I was waiting on a liquid shadow).
0 upped cards.
1500 electrum cost to play, 4 wins with a 241 electrum return, net -1259 electrum loss.

Although I did have success earlier with LA, this is just too variable for me.  I'll slowly grind AI3 and farm the rest of the cards I need anyhow and will do a partially upped rol/hope or instosis when I get there.

Thanks!

Wow that is major bad luck lol. When i farmed with LA, I used it for a day won around 5 upped cards at the expense of 2k, and switched to limitless speed semi upped because 2 the upped cards I won happened to also be used in that deck.

Before you make any big decisions about spending thousands of electrum in upgrading cards for other decks, I suggest you use the elements trainer to test out the partly upped rol/hope, 3 shard and 4 shard instosis, and other decks etc. Then you know exactly what you are buying and see which one you prefer. Obviously instosis is the ultimate end goal untill someone finds a better deck so you have to decide foy yourself is spending so much extra time getting rol/hope worth it.

I also suggest you try out the fully upped 4 shard instosis in the trainer for a few games. It will show you just how much it kicks false ass.

[zaen]

Wow that is major bad luck lol. When i farmed with LA, I used it for a day won around 5 upped cards at the expense of 2k, and switched to limitless speed semi upped because 2 the upped cards I won happened to also be used in that deck.

Before you make any big decisions about spending thousands of electrum in upgrading cards for other decks, I suggest you use the elements trainer to test out the partly upped rol/hope, 3 shard and 4 shard instosis, and other decks etc. Then you know exactly what you are buying and see which one you prefer. Obviously instosis is the ultimate end goal untill someone finds a better deck so you have to decide foy yourself is spending so much extra time getting rol/hope worth it.

I also suggest you try out the fully upped 4 shard instosis in the trainer for a few games. It will show you just how much it kicks false ass.

Yeah, probably made me take a break from LA and I doubt I'd go back.  It is a challenge though, so maybe when I'm rich I'll do it for fun.

As far as the trainer goes, great idea.  I'll do that before I up the cards!