Frustration

[Nume]

I couldn't agree more.  I'm a WoW player, and currently have several characters at maximum level climbing the gear progression and running the high-end raids, but this week I've been hunting down an old-world item set on my mage - running weak dungeons solo hunting for a set of gear that's entirely cosmetic.  People have asked me why... I told them "because it's FUN."  Then they laughed!

Lmao that brings me back... I havent played Wow for about a year but I fondly remember running the old SM dungeons repeatedly trying for the old mail set from there (I had a max lvl warrior). Or putting on full tank gear, with a damage shield, and just running through random old dungeons by myself, watching as all my poor enemies slowly killed themselves on my shield . But yeah anyways... on topic, I really find this game to be fun partially because you cant just get 1 good deck and win consistently. You will always lose games, and always lose spins, but that just keeps it interesting. If you could just upgrade one set of cards and then always win after that, there wouldnt be much reason to keep playing .

[pervepic]

There are decks I like to play and there are also decks that really make me nervous (Rol-Hope for example). In the first case it is playing (fun, I don't care much about rewards then) and in the second case it seems to be (underrewarded) "grinding".

[Metoropolice]

 
Me.. i liked "fire" personally .. and the  phoenix card  bec ..  of its rebirth skill .. "Cremate and rebirth"

[edunavas]

Now this is no rant, but I have to get it out.

I can take that the False Gods "cheat", it's supposed to be hard.
I can take that I can have bad draws, it's random after all.
I can take that the quantum pillars tick in everything but the one quanta I need, it's random after all.
I can take that you can have bad luck 30 straight FG games in a row, statistically improbable but it can happen.

Those things are all frustrating, but that's not what really makes me want to just close the browser and do something else. After wasting thousands of gold on skipping/failing on the hard FG, lucking out on the easy FG and then when you finally get a break and beat a FG and you get ~40 gold and NO card. AAARGH! 

This happens!! Sometimes i have to lose like 10 time to start winning. Sometimes i simply lost my pacience and do something else. This game is so random that i randomly don´t play. RANDOMLY does exist?

[johannhowitzer]

I must admit I've never been a fan of RNGs, WoW being the main culprit here.  Yes, persistence will most of the time get past the randomness and reward you, but it's always felt like the game designers just couldn't come up with something better.  Maybe there IS no better way?

[Malduk]

I must admit I've never been a fan of RNGs, WoW being the main culprit here.  Yes, persistence will most of the time get past the randomness and reward you, but it's always felt like the game designers just couldn't come up with something better.  Maybe there IS no better way?

Me neither (I dont play WoW though). Games like this doesnt need RNG really. At all. Besides draw of course. I'll admit random can be fun sometimes, but overall, it takes away from the skill. Percentage based shields are especially annoying to me. If I beat someone due to Dusk mantle preventing more damage than it should, I cannot really be happy about it as I won by pure luck. If I lose to Dusk mantle, I'm frustrated. It never ends well 

And btw, there IS other (better) way.

[johannhowitzer]

As far as WoW random loot tables go, I'm not so sure.  It would probably necessitate the removal of such extremely rare world drops as "Staff of Jordan" and "Mindthrust Bracers" - though at high-end raiding, WoW has become partly about accumulating emblems to BUY gear with, and the emblems are guaranteed drops that everyone in the party gets.  Half your high-end gear will still be gotten from boss loot tables, and with the hardest raids involving 25-man groups, you're often rolling against 10 other people for something that has a 15% chance to drop per run - on a run that's only doable once per week, and a boss you'll rarely reach unless you have a reliable raiding guild.

At least we'll always have chess, eh?

[Nume]

As far as WoW random loot tables go, I'm not so sure.  It would probably necessitate the removal of such extremely rare world drops as "Staff of Jordan" and "Mindthrust Bracers" - though at high-end raiding, WoW has become partly about accumulating emblems to BUY gear with, and the emblems are guaranteed drops that everyone in the party gets.  Half your high-end gear will still be gotten from boss loot tables, and with the hardest raids involving 25-man groups, you're often rolling against 10 other people for something that has a 15% chance to drop per run - on a run that's only doable once per week, and a boss you'll rarely reach unless you have a reliable raiding guild.

At least we'll always have chess, eh?

Lol but when you win that one piece of loot... you feel epic .

[johannhowitzer]

Kinda.  But I feel more epic when I do something to deserve the loot that doesn't involve a RNG.  Like in WoW I'm a fan of soloing incredibly difficult things... one time I was playing warlock in a high-end 5-man dungeon and it was obvious our tank wasn't cutting it.  So on the final boss I went Demonology spec with voidwalker, just in case... which turned out to be a great idea.  The tank and the other two dps wiped during the first phase, and the healer and I two-manned the boss to death.  Took about ten minutes, and the whole time the corpses were cheering us on.  Rarely have I felt so awesome in a game!

Some of my favorite stories come from playing tricks on people in pvp.  This one time I was leveling my mage, on a quest that called for me to board a pirate ship.  I was on my way into the ship when I was attacked by a shaman (not a good matchup for me), and instead of running, I went further into the ship and used Blink - a spell that teleports you 20 yards forward - but as I cast it, I turned to face the stairs back up, blinking PAST him.  He gave chase further into the ship and I surfaced in safety.

You got me to ramble, look at that.

[Nume]

Lol yeah I know what you mean. I remember one time where I was fighting a boss in a raid (I really cant remember which one, but i think it was in Nax) where everyone died with the boss at 60 percent hp except me and 4 healers (I was the tank). We slowly took him down from there to 0 by ourselves . I think it may have been the one where the floor explodes and such and you have to move him back and forth, but yeah... that was a great fight. It took us like 25 minutes but yeah... lol. Anyways... enough about WoW. I dont have time to start playing it again... lol.

[thekillergame]

I've been collecting some statistics about this.

Grinding AI3 gives me approx 1k + another 500 for selling non-rare cards over 50 games, that's 30 / game on average. Out of my last 100 games vs False gods I won 27 (10 with EM) and got 11 cards (worth 1200). That means an income of approx 17*50+10*120+11*1200-73*30 = 13060, that's 130 / game on average.


I think that's quite comparable.

you earn a lot more money per game against FGs but you can play 5 games against AI3 in the time you defeat a FG.