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[pedzacyzolw]

AI4 might be more profitable than AI3 when you grind both with Mono Aether. This deck is designed against AI4, not 3. Most succesful AI3 grinders are generally rushes which can destroy opponent before it even set up while tis deck is example of stall..
Anyway, my point is that to decide which one is more worth farming you shouldn`t compare statistics taken with the same deck, but choose two different decks dedicated to certain AI level. And another thing: don`t compare gold earned per game but gold earned per period of time because this is what matters while farming.

[ElementalDearWatson]

AI4 might be more profitable than AI3 when you grind both with Mono Aether. This deck is designed against AI4, not 3. Most succesful AI3 grinders are generally rushes which can destroy opponent before it even set up while tis deck is example of stall..

The deck wasn't designed against anything, it was simply the first example of a good rareless, Unupped deck I could think of off the top of my head.  It immediately eliminated what was put forwards as a reason not to farm AI4 - the cost of making a deck which could grind AI4.  Well, the cost, in this case, is exactly the same as for grinding AI3.

And another thing: don`t compare gold earned per game but gold earned per period of time because this is what matters while farming.

I did:

So, AI3 had a total gain which was 60% that of AI4, with a TTW that was 76% that of AI4's.

[...] it seems that AI4 is more profitable in terms of total gain vs. TTW without even taking winning Upped cards into consideration.

Farming AI4, from the testing I've done so far, had a higher gain per turn than farming AI3 - and that's before taking in to consideration the possibility of winning an Upped card and the extra value that would bring.

[Naesala]

Watson, you used the same deck for both. You should have compared the best two grinders for each instead. You also should do much more than 10 matches.

[ElementalDearWatson]

Well, if someone will point me towards whatever the general consensus for the 2 best grinders is, then I'll give them a go, when I've got the time.

And, yes, I know that I need to play more than 10 games against each.  That's why in my post I explicitly say that I need to play more than 10 games against each. Twice.  I've just not had time to spend the entire day playing on the internet.

[Hiddje123]

In all honesty I would even recommend grinding arena instead of AI3/4 (maybe AI3 to begin with if you don't have any cards at all to buy a nice unupped arena grinder).
I personally thought silver arena was excellent, if you roll with an EM granted deck i think you win 140 electrum per match (if EM) + spins. Not to forget the rares you'll be getting from special spins which will be great to have for when you have enough electrum to make a nice upped grinder with shards etc.

[BumbleSting]

In all honesty I would even recommend grinding arena instead of AI3/4 (maybe AI3 to begin with if you don't have any cards at all to buy a nice unupped arena grinder).
I personally thought silver arena was excellent, if you roll with an EM granted deck i think you win 140 electrum per match (if EM) + spins. Not to forget the rares you'll be getting from special spins which will be great to have for when you have enough electrum to make a nice upped grinder with shards etc.

For silver arena you need at least some upped cards though, which can be difficult when just starting out.

[Hiddje123]

In all honesty I would even recommend grinding arena instead of AI3/4 (maybe AI3 to begin with if you don't have any cards at all to buy a nice unupped arena grinder).
I personally thought silver arena was excellent, if you roll with an EM granted deck i think you win 140 electrum per match (if EM) + spins. Not to forget the rares you'll be getting from special spins which will be great to have for when you have enough electrum to make a nice upped grinder with shards etc.

For silver arena you need at least some upped cards though, which can be difficult when just starting out.

Not really, there are some unupped decks that work alright, you obviously wont get a lot of spins but the money is still better then AIs. You'll get 9k electrum for a semi-upped FG grinder in no time.

[BumbleSting]

In all honesty I would even recommend grinding arena instead of AI3/4 (maybe AI3 to begin with if you don't have any cards at all to buy a nice unupped arena grinder).
I personally thought silver arena was excellent, if you roll with an EM granted deck i think you win 140 electrum per match (if EM) + spins. Not to forget the rares you'll be getting from special spins which will be great to have for when you have enough electrum to make a nice upped grinder with shards etc.

For silver arena you need at least some upped cards though, which can be difficult when just starting out.

Not really, there are some unupped decks that work alright, you obviously wont get a lot of spins but the money is still better then AIs. You'll get 9k electrum for a semi-upped FG grinder in no time.

Which decks are you referring to? I'm tired of grinding half-bloods

[Hiddje123]

In all honesty I would even recommend grinding arena instead of AI3/4 (maybe AI3 to begin with if you don't have any cards at all to buy a nice unupped arena grinder).
I personally thought silver arena was excellent, if you roll with an EM granted deck i think you win 140 electrum per match (if EM) + spins. Not to forget the rares you'll be getting from special spins which will be great to have for when you have enough electrum to make a nice upped grinder with shards etc.

For silver arena you need at least some upped cards though, which can be difficult when just starting out.

Not really, there are some unupped decks that work alright, you obviously wont get a lot of spins but the money is still better then AIs. You'll get 9k electrum for a semi-upped FG grinder in no time.

Which decks are you referring to? I'm tired of grinding half-bloods

I used a adrenvamp rush, although this was a while ago so I don't know if there are many updates that would render this deck useless.
I've heard of rainbows with antimatter doing quite well also, or possibly even a mono-entropy with antimatter.
Mind you these are probably not the best of decks but because they give you quite a high EM rate you will end up winning more electrum in the long run. If you want to get more special spins whilst you're at it also immorush/grabbix does pretty well.
I do suggest you do not try to copy something from forums though since most of these are either outdated or so popular that most arena decks will use extra precaution against them. Just try creating something of your own using the trainer, and even though you cannot test it against arena, I think AI4 would be quite similar to silver arena except without shards (especially sofo which can be really annoying) so keep in mind your win % might be a bit lower

[BumbleSting]

In all honesty I would even recommend grinding arena instead of AI3/4 (maybe AI3 to begin with if you don't have any cards at all to buy a nice unupped arena grinder).
I personally thought silver arena was excellent, if you roll with an EM granted deck i think you win 140 electrum per match (if EM) + spins. Not to forget the rares you'll be getting from special spins which will be great to have for when you have enough electrum to make a nice upped grinder with shards etc.

For silver arena you need at least some upped cards though, which can be difficult when just starting out.

Not really, there are some unupped decks that work alright, you obviously wont get a lot of spins but the money is still better then AIs. You'll get 9k electrum for a semi-upped FG grinder in no time.

Which decks are you referring to? I'm tired of grinding half-bloods

I used a adrenvamp rush, although this was a while ago so I don't know if there are many updates that would render this deck useless.
I've heard of rainbows with antimatter doing quite well also, or possibly even a mono-entropy with antimatter.
Mind you these are probably not the best of decks but because they give you quite a high EM rate you will end up winning more electrum in the long run. If you want to get more special spins whilst you're at it also immorush/grabbix does pretty well.
I do suggest you do not try to copy something from forums though since most of these are either outdated or so popular that most arena decks will use extra precaution against them. Just try creating something of your own using the trainer, and even though you cannot test it against arena, I think AI4 would be quite similar to silver arena except without shards (especially sofo which can be really annoying) so keep in mind your win % might be a bit lower

Yeah I usually try to at least change a fair bit of any deck I get from the forums, as its pretty good deck building practice. I'll try something out right now.

[Graub]

2)  I would personally advise against setting your priority to AI4 as it's not worth it for grinding.  AI4 can be beaten by unupped decks so there's really not much conversion to be done to be able to defeat it.  Perhaps you should list what your current deck is if you want more helpful information; we also have a Deck Help section for that.

People keep saying this, but I'm not sure it's true.  25% of cards spun are Upped in AI4, which should mean that 25% of cards won are upped.  That makes then 5-10 times more valuable than the cards you win in AI3.  And that means that it's more profitable to play.

I've played A LOT of AI4 matches grinding it and never got a single upped card. People advised me to grind AI3 so im doing it now... Its faster and have a higher win rate