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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27363#msg27363
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2010, 09:11:49 pm »
Druidic/Jade Staff beats Vampire Stiletto/Dagger in almost every way really. If you want to talk about using Adrenaline it makes it even better because they are both Life cards.

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27375#msg27375
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2010, 09:46:33 pm »
Gl1tch, its a pathetic 4 healing per turn, and ONLY if it lands, with msot decks using phase shields or bone walls a druid stave is better for that.  But still, not by much.

We arent saying its completely useless we are saying its the least useful.


This picture shows the Dagger being used to get 103 healing per turn for free.  You find me a picture of a different weapon being used in a more useful way, and I will admit defeat, change my vote to the stiletto, and never bring up the argument again.

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27413#msg27413
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2010, 12:01:14 am »
If I did that combo with a Titan, it would be momentumed, have 79 health, and have 107 attack.

If I played a phase shield against that dagger, it would be competely useless. If I rewinded it, it would be useless and back to a measly 4 damage. If I had a bonewall, it would be useless.

Vampire dagger is the worst since its ability is affected by shields. All other weapons are useful DESPITE shields save for morning glory which has the benefit of being immune to creature control.

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27431#msg27431
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2010, 12:48:56 am »
You know if you had Guardian Angels and Red Nymphs around, used any HP gaining card (Like Blessing in your example) on any creature/weapon, and used Liquid Shadow on that creature/weapon, it would be the same usefulness.

Similarly, you could do the same thing with Vampires. In fact it would be a lot better generally with Vampires.

In determining what is least useful you cannot just limit your perspective and compare between weapons. A huge part of what makes Vampire Dagger the least useful is the fact that Vampires exist as creatures. Vampire Daggers are only useful where the extra HP of flying Vampire Daggers is crucial and worth the added difficulties of flying Vampire Daggers or where 6 Vampires is not enough. Basically, it is useful on very rare and limited occasions and that is why it is the least useful.

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27433#msg27433
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2010, 12:56:35 am »
Vampires cost more.  While a really good titan would be great, would it heal you for more than miracle does every turn for free?

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27442#msg27442
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2010, 01:22:20 am »
Vampires cost more.  While a really good titan would be great, would it heal you for more than miracle does every turn for free?
I wonder if you could make a pvp deck based on getting that set up. My bet: No. At least not a good one.

I can make ANY weapon *appear* amazing with just one screeny. The problem is that to GET it that strong, you probably needed LOTS of fire quantum, and LOTS of light quantum. So it's not really healing you for free :). All in all, unrealistic.

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27447#msg27447
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2010, 01:48:43 am »
Wait are we talking about compared to what they were before, like how much they got upped bye (+1/+1) or are we talking about just useless weapons?

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27469#msg27469
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2010, 04:09:29 am »
well, in my deck i just dont think the vampire stilleto would fit well, its a nice card but just not for me, it takes my vote.

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27545#msg27545
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2010, 02:27:29 pm »
Vampires cost more.  While a really good titan would be great, would it heal you for more than miracle does every turn for free?
I wonder if you could make a pvp deck based on getting that set up. My bet: No. At least not a good one.

I can make ANY weapon *appear* amazing with just one screeny. The problem is that to GET it that strong, you probably needed LOTS of fire quantum, and LOTS of light quantum. So it's not really healing you for free :). All in all, unrealistic.
Fine.  I'll admit, it costs 3 fire quantum and 1 life quantum for 5 accumulative life.  So, for four quantums, you get five accumulative healing.  How on earth is that a bad deal?

Again, I'm not saying that's the best use, or the only use, but it's a great use.  And if you can top it, I'll back down.

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27553#msg27553
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2010, 03:00:21 pm »
Okay i can top it. Jade Staff-2life- 5 healing!

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27589#msg27589
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2010, 05:05:22 pm »
Vampire Stilleto is the only rare card that I always sell.

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Re: What is the most useless rare weapon (when upped)? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3153.msg27649#msg27649
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2010, 09:08:13 pm »
stilleto gets another vote... But I got really surprised that eternity has 2 votes and that somebody voted pulvy :o
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