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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg187960#msg187960
« Reply #60 on: October 29, 2010, 09:36:06 pm »
Like I said in that last paragraph, there will be more transparency in a form of the public knowing how each Council Member voted in every single non-recruiting matter. You can use that information when it's time to vote for a new council.
Then I apologize, I had not noticed that part of your paragraph. Sorry for wasting your time!

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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg188034#msg188034
« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2010, 12:02:04 am »
well, let talk about allocate jobs.
you are not the first one, who gives out wanted jobs^^.
and also in rl, the "drama part" is mostly considered in any job interview/application process.
the best strategie to avoid a drama is not silence about the application process, its a transparent choise.

so i suggest, to appoint some rules, how you choose/vote for forum jobs.
a simple list of preference would do it.
this wont exclude personal meanings, but might prevent to give the personal choise a too heavy wheight.

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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg188089#msg188089
« Reply #62 on: October 30, 2010, 01:49:56 am »
Can I please get mod powers in the forum games section Kthnxbai.
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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg188100#msg188100
« Reply #63 on: October 30, 2010, 02:22:12 am »
More transparency to the council, hear hear!

No moderation without representation!

Keep it down, peasant! :P
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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg188119#msg188119
« Reply #64 on: October 30, 2010, 02:58:29 am »
i dont do tournaments or pvp events, so honestly i didnt know if you guys had done anything at all yet /shrug

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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg188245#msg188245
« Reply #65 on: October 30, 2010, 07:34:35 am »
well, let talk about allocate jobs.
you are not the first one, who gives out wanted jobs^^.
and also in rl, the "drama part" is mostly considered in any job interview/application process.
the best strategie to avoid a drama is not silence about the application process, its a transparent choise.

so i suggest, to appoint some rules, how you choose/vote for forum jobs.
a simple list of preference would do it.
this wont exclude personal meanings, but might prevent to give the personal choise a too heavy wheight.
Sure, lets talk about real life.

I don't know if you are old enough to have applied for a real life job, but I can assure you that when you apply for a job in real life, the recruiter won't publicly announce why a person was hired and why others weren't. From a job applicants perspective, all you get is a "yes" or a "no".

The reason why it's like this, is that having a big discussion about what happened is a waste of everyones time and serves no purpose what so ever. Decision has been made, it's time to move on. Even if you think that you were more qualified for the job, the people who make the decisions, unfortunately didn't. End of story.

Lets say an applicant has shown some childish and trolling behavior in the past. This is something that the Council might discuss before making a recruitment decision, and it might be a deal breaker in that person becoming a staff member. You think that making this kind of discussion public would somehow serve the community because it's the "transparent choice"? It wouldn't.

You asked about "rules" on who gets chosen. Well, each individual job opening topic has requirements. If you meet those requirements, you probably have a high chance of of getting picked. If you don't meet those requirements, your chances are slim. Very simple.

One unwritten rule is that veteran members probably have an advantage. It's like in real life: when you have worked for a company longer than others, your chances of getting that promotion are much higher because the bosses know that you can be trusted. I personally like to hire veteran members because they are much more likely to stick around longer. Gamers are not that loyal, so when you find those people that stay with the community for better or for worse, you hang on to those people.

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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg188890#msg188890
« Reply #66 on: October 30, 2010, 09:50:38 pm »
Can jmdt get mod powers in the deck section please?  I'm honestly surprised he hasn't, seeing as how there are constant misplacement issues with decks, issues regarding deck codes, etc, etc, etc.  Plus the deck section has by far the most activity and therefore consists of the most errors, right now it appears to be the most organized section IMO; so how about it?
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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg188897#msg188897
« Reply #67 on: October 30, 2010, 09:55:16 pm »
Can jmdt get mod powers in the deck section please?  I'm honestly surprised he hasn't, seeing as how there are constant misplacement issues with decks, issues regarding deck codes, etc, etc, etc.  Plus the deck section has by far the most activity and therefore consists of the most errors, right now it appears to be the most organized section IMO; so how about it?
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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg188911#msg188911
« Reply #68 on: October 30, 2010, 10:10:16 pm »
Can jmdt get mod powers in the deck section please?  I'm honestly surprised he hasn't, seeing as how there are constant misplacement issues with decks, issues regarding deck codes, etc, etc, etc.  Plus the deck section has by far the most activity and therefore consists of the most errors, right now it appears to be the most organized section IMO; so how about it?
Can I please get mod powers in the forum games section Kthnxbai.
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My apologies, seeing as how jmdt's name wasn't included in that statement I was given the impression that he wasn't being considered.  I also found it strange that he's held his status longer but is further down the line for having his powers instated...*shrugs* but it's clear you're working on it.
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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg189435#msg189435
« Reply #69 on: October 31, 2010, 02:42:49 pm »
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Sure, lets talk about real life.

I don't know if you are old enough to have applied for a real life job, but I can assure you that when you apply for a job in real life, the recruiter won't publicly announce why a person was hired and why others weren't. From a job applicants perspective, all you get is a "yes" or a "no".
i am actually old enough.^^
also i am old enough to be once in a employment-committee of our community.
and i dont know how exactly it works in your country, but in mine, you always get a (short) explanation why you dont get the job. e.g. "sry you arent experienced enough, we need other qualifications..."

in bigger companys you even have announcement in memos, why someone is picked/promoted. (specailly the promoting part, because you will still work together)

my whole point is, if you know there is a fair process of picking someone, you dont have more reasons to complain.
you might able to accept the choise more likely as you have to suspect "person x dont like me so i dont got picked".

i just try to help you to avoid any drama. and in my experience, keeping everything secret dont help.
in any application process there is some personal meanings in it (i dont like his hair eg.). and i agree with you, this should kept secret.
again in dont vote for a public discussion, i vote for a public "see how the application process works").

you have some good points about the "qualification" an applicant needs. why (the council) dont write a guidline in the Council thread?
as a guideline, this would even make the job for the council easyer.
it really helps, to have some structured proceedings/priorityes for any team dessicion.

(you might have allready something like this, i just dont know)

edit: i just wanted to explain my opinion. please take this an attempt to to give my ideas in. i dont expect any immediate measure. i know there are other things burning atm.
and its still game forum ;).

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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg189580#msg189580
« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2010, 05:50:48 pm »
I suppose I can say what the Council looks at, since it isn't directed at anyone specifically.  This isn't everything, but it is some of the major things.

- We read applications.
Every Council Member reads every application entered, and, believe it or not, it does have a judgment on the votes an applicant may or may not receive.  Great spelling and grammar will be a great note to start off on, since it shows that the applicant actually dedicated some time into writing it.  If one doesn't know how to write an application, they should just list what they have done in the past, why the applicant feels he/she would be best for the position, and something else that will make us feel like "this is the one for this position."

For instance, this is my application, word for word, for the Competition Organizer position.
Hello there vrt, and other Council Members that will be reading this.  My name is Dragoon1140, a very active member of the community and dedicated Youtuber.  I've spent a long time looking at the Competition section of the forums, waiting for something to spur the creativity that the entire community has to offer, but I have come to be disappointed.

Thus, I would love to be one of the Competition Organizers, both to feel like I'm giving something back to the community outside of Council, and to make sure the folk who don't like PVP still have the fun they deserve.  I want to spread the potato of creativity across the farm of Elements forum members, and make sure they all have an awesome time growing their vegetable to win the state fair and earn a nice little trophy to put under their avatar.  Because I am so active, I will likely answer any and all questions people may have.

Being a Competition Organizer would be quite the experience, and I would love to become a part of it.  Thank you for your time.
- We look at how long the applicant been part of the community.
If the applicant has just joined two weeks ago, the chances of them earning a forum position are little to none.  If, however, the applicant has been here for a long time, helping out around the forum and is a well-known face, they will likely gain the position if it comes down to it.  On the other hand, this does not mean that a veteran-status member will always earn the position over somebody else who we feel would do better.

- We read what the applicant has done in that section.
Posting a lot in the forum section we are looking at hiring somebody for will help an applicant's chances to earn a leadership role in that section.  Posting there willy-nilly does not impress, and will likely affect our votes.  Again, this does not mean somebody completely foreign to the section cannot become a moderator/organizer for the section.  We will hire somebody else like that, if we feel it is needed.

I hope this clears up some confusion as to what specifically we look for in an applicant.   :)
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Re: What do you think of the Elements Council? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13720.msg189715#msg189715
« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2010, 08:45:57 pm »
thank you dragoon. that was exactly what i was looking for.
*cough* sticky in the council thread?

and again keep up the good work ;).

 

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