Weird Neurotoxin thing

[OldTrees]

Creatures with Wisdom fling Lightning rather than their normal attack.
Shard of Wisdom is not an all knowing shard. It does not teach Deadly Poison or Siphon Life to Venomous or Vampiric creatures. It merely holds the secrets to Lightning.

[yee]

Poison "spell" ignores Mirror Shield, so you can say that it isn't realy a spell.

[Rutarete]

Poison "spell" ignores Mirror Shield, so you can say that it isn't realy a spell.

It says "Any damage from spells if reflected." Since Poison does not deal immediate damage, it is not reflected.

[ElementalDearWatson]

Creatures with Wisdom fling Lightning rather than their normal attack.

No they don't.  Their attack is changed to spell damage.  It may have the same sound effect and graphic as lightning, but the Shard of Freedom has the same sound effect and graphic as Sky Blitz, and Lobotomise has the same graphic and sound effect as Mindgate.

[Elbirn]

Well what spell do you think they use then? It's not like the creatures fists get coated in magyk juice, making their physical attacks count as magical attacks for no reason. They learn a spell. If not lightning, which one do you think they learn? Lightning makes the most sense because it's of the element that SoW is of, as well as causing the same sound effect / graphic.

Let's put thematics aside. I think for balancing purposes, an immortal creature that deals momentumed vampiric/poison damage would be undesirable.

[OldTrees]

Creatures with Wisdom fling Lightning rather than their normal attack.

No they don't.  Their attack is changed to spell damage.  It may have the same sound effect and graphic as lightning, but the Shard of Freedom has the same sound effect and graphic as Sky Blitz, and Lobotomise has the same graphic and sound effect as Mindgate.

1) Their attack is replaced with spell damage. (Look at the interactions with Venom and Vampire.)
2) Since Lighting shares the same effect and graphics, I think we should assume it is Lightning rather than the more complex theory of "non Lightning spell damage with Lightning graphic".
3) Either way my point stands that SoW teaches a spells but does not teach Siphon Life or Deadly Poison.

[ElementalDearWatson]

1) Their attack is replaced with spell damage. (Look at the interactions with Venom and Vampire.)

There's no reason why the attack couldn't be converted to spell damage.

2) Since Lighting shares the same effect and graphics, I think we should assume it is Lightning rather than the more complex theory of "non Lightning spell damage with Lightning graphic".

How is it "more complex"?  I gave 2 examples of where it's already the case. 

And Lightning makes no sense thematically.  Psions are people or creatures who use psionics - psychic abilities.  Lightning is not a psychic ability, it is electricity.  Lightning isn't magic, either, it's electricity.  If it is Lightning, then it makes no sense thematically, and Psions have the wrong name and would have been better being a creature called Electric Eel.

3) Either way my point stands that SoW teaches a spells but does not teach Siphon Life or Deadly Poison.

It also removes a creature's ability - an ability, as I have pointed out, which need not be physical.

[OldTrees]

1) Their attack is replaced with spell damage. (Look at the interactions with Venom and Vampire.)

There's no reason why the attack couldn't be converted to spell damage.

The attack being converted does not match the interactions observed. Those interactions could have been different (anything is possible in "could have been"). The attack being replaced does match the interactions observed.

3) Either way my point stands that SoW teaches a spells but does not teach Siphon Life or Deadly Poison.

It also removes a creature's ability - an ability, as I have pointed out, which need not be physical.

Teaches: Replace current active ability with a new active ability. (See Liquid Shadow, Acceleration, Mitosis, Butterfly Effect)

[Drake_XIV]

2) Since Lighting shares the same effect and graphics, I think we should assume it is Lightning rather than the more complex theory of "non Lightning spell damage with Lightning graphic".

How is it "more complex"?  I gave 2 examples of where it's already the case. 

And Lightning makes no sense thematically.  Psions are people or creatures who use psionics - psychic abilities.  Lightning is not a psychic ability, it is electricity.  Lightning isn't magic, either, it's electricity.  If it is Lightning, then it makes no sense thematically, and Psions have the wrong name and would have been better being a creature called Electric Eel.

Then, by your argument, you've explained why.  Since SoW was made with Psion in mind, it is not farfetched to say that SoW bestows psionic abilities.  When done so, the target, instead of attacking normally, chooses to attack with it's newfound psionic ability instead of it's norm.  And it's clear that one cannot attack with a stinger and damage physically when done so with such power.

[ElementalDearWatson]

(anything is possible in "could have been")

And, if you'll go back and re-read the posts that have thus far been made, this thread is about how the Shard of Wisdom should work, rather than about how it does.

Teaches: Replace current active ability with a new active ability. (See Liquid Shadow, Acceleration, Mitosis, Butterfly Effect)

I don't know what you mean by "teaches", but if you use, say, Acceleration on a creature with an ability then, where that ability was previously, you now have the word "Acceleration".  If you use a Shard of Wisdom on a Quinted Dune Scorpion, you still have the word "Neurotoxin" under the card.  Similarly, if you use a Shard of Wisdom on, say, Mind Flayer, you can still Lobotomise creatures with the Mind Flayer. 

So, no, what you're saying doesn't make sense.

Then, by your argument, you've explained why.  Since SoW was made with Psion in mind, it is not farfetched to say that SoW bestows psionic abilities.  When done so, the target, instead of attacking normally, chooses to attack with it's newfound psionic ability instead of it's norm.  And it's clear that one cannot attack with a stinger and damage physically when done so with such power.

And is there any reason why the Shard of Wisdom cannot cause a card to make the same attack, only psionically?  There are, after all, psionic equivalents of the attacks which are lost.

[OldTrees]

(anything is possible in "could have been")

And, if you'll go back and re-read the posts that have thus far been made, this thread is about how the Shard of Wisdom should work, rather than about how it does.

I understand that the topic is about how it should work.
It should have a consistent theme and interaction.
It does have a consistent theme and interaction.
It could have had a different theme (your theme) in which case it would not fit the interaction.
In a world where it did have that different theme then the interaction would have to change.

Saying that a theme "could have been" is not an argument for a theme that contradicts the interaction when a theme that does not contradict the interaction exists. Replacement fits the facts and is a consistent theme. Altering is a theme that could have been but does not fit the current interaction. Therefore it is discounted.

[ElementalDearWatson]

Your counter-arguments seem to be getting less and less relevant to this thread.