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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg111927#msg111927
« Reply #180 on: July 10, 2010, 09:14:16 pm »
Anything else?
Poison transfers from Ash to Phoenix but not the other way around.
It might be helpful to indicate that Ash is the only other card that you can't add to your deck directly (Malignant Cell).
Also Aflatoxined Phoenixes do not form Malignant Cells (but Ash does).
One of its main uses is as a renewable Cremation target in Fire rush decks.
If Ash gets lobotomized you can always use Rage on it.   :P


If you kill it on the turn it comes out ash does not get summoning sickness.
Isn't it more accurate to say "If you kill a Phoenix on your turn you can play Ash your next turn."

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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg111931#msg111931
« Reply #181 on: July 10, 2010, 09:24:48 pm »
Anything else?
Poison transfers from Ash to Phoenix but not the other way around.
It might be helpful to indicate that Ash is the only other card that you can't add to your deck directly (Malignant Cell).
Also Aflatoxined Phoenixes do not form Malignant Cells (but Ash does).
One of its main uses is as a renewable Cremation target in Fire rush decks.
If Ash gets lobotomized you can always use Rage on it.   :P


If you kill it on the turn it comes out ash does not get summoning sickness.
Isn't it more accurate to say "If you kill a Phoenix on your turn you can play Ash your next turn."
No it's more accurate to say."If pheonix is killed during the turn it is put into play, Ash's ability may be used the next turn"
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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg111935#msg111935
« Reply #182 on: July 10, 2010, 09:31:10 pm »
No it's more accurate to say."If pheonix is killed during the turn it is put into play, Ash's ability may be used the next turn"
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That is a subset of what I said.  It doesn't have to be the turn you put it into play.

And your first post seemed to say you could play a Phoenix, kill it, then immediately play the Ash the same turn.

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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg112609#msg112609
« Reply #183 on: July 12, 2010, 02:35:36 am »
:fire Phoenix | Minor Phoenix



Like all Fire creatures, the Phoenix is a "glass cannon" creature with high ATK but a very fragile amount of HP. However, unlike most Fire creatures, Phoenix is extremely hard to truly get rid of. When killed, Phoenix will turn into Ash, a durable 0|7 creature that can be reborn into a new Phoenix for 1 :fire.

With only 1 HP, Phoenix seems to be extremely vulnerable to creature control, and any damaging effect can instantly crush this bird into a pile of ash. But just like the phoenix in folklore, the Ash left behind by this creature's death can be reborn into another Phoenix by paying 1 :fire. This makes Phoenix extremely hard to kill, because Ash has no attack power but it has 7 HP, making it very difficult to kill it in just one turn before it revives into a Phoenix. However, if Phoenix or Ash is lobotomized, it can no longer be reborn or revived; removing its ability is a more efficient way to make sure Phoenix stays dead. Fire Shield is a good counter as well, killing Phoenix again and again every time it attacks.

It should be clarified that when Phoenix is killed, Ash is summoned to your field as a new creature, so any statuses the Phoenix previously had are gone. However, when you activate Ash's ability and turn it into a Phoenix, it is considered an evolution, so all statuses the Ash previously had will be transferred to the Phoenix. Also, Ash is not a standalone card. It cannot be bought from the bazaar, or won from the slot machine; the only way to obtain Ash is by killing a Phoenix.

Because of its cycle of endless death and rebirth, Phoenix is often used as a renewable Immolation fuel. By killing one of your own creatures, Immolation can instantly generate a large amount of Fire quanta; but with Phoenix, the deal is even better, because you can immediately revive your Phoenix on the next turn after you Immolate it. This makes Phoenix a very nice addition to pillarless Immolation speed decks. Phoenix can also be used to exploit certain Death cards such as Boneyard and Bone Wall, since killing a Phoenix is considered a creature death even when it is reborn into Ash.

Phoenix is a 7|1 creature for 7 :fire; when you upgrade it, it becomes Minor Phoenix, a 4|1 creature for 2 :fire. At first glance, it would seem that Phoenix has become weaker after the upgrade, having its ATK almost halved. However, the summoning cost of Phoenix is reduced to little more than a quarter of its original cost; if you look carefully enough, you'll see that the damage-to-cost ratio is doubled after the upgraded. More importantly, a cost of 2 :fire means that you can summon Minor Phoenix on turn one or turn two, making it extremely efficient in speed decks. The extremely low summoning cost also means that Phoenix can be targeted by Fractal, allowing you to summon multiple Minor Phoenixes all at once. Fractal Phoenix decks are very deadly, because there is little you can do about a swarm of creatures that are almost indestructible.

Quick Facts:
- Phoenix turns into Ash if it's killed, and Ash can turn back into Phoenix for 1 :fire.
- The only way to truly kill a Phoenix is to kill the Ash.
- Phoenix's summoning cost is significantly reduced when upgraded, making it an ideal target for Fractal.

Use This Card Together With:
- Immolation | Cremation
- Fractal | Fractal
- Boneyard | Graveyard

Decks Using This Card:
- Immolation Phoenix
- Fractal Phoenix
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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg112788#msg112788
« Reply #184 on: July 12, 2010, 10:53:27 am »
nice :D

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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg113008#msg113008
« Reply #185 on: July 12, 2010, 07:16:36 pm »
...no other comments on how the article can be improved?
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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg113010#msg113010
« Reply #186 on: July 12, 2010, 07:22:48 pm »
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Because of its cycle of endless death and rebirth, Phoenix is often used as a renewable Immolation fuel. By killing one of your own creatures, Immolation can instantly generate a large amount of Fire quanta; but with Phoenix, the deal is even better, because you can immediately revive your Phoenix after you Immolate it. This makes Phoenix a very nice addition to pillarless Immolation speed decks.
The part in yellow seems to say you can instantly revive your phoenix that turn, while you actually have to wait a turn. I would reword that.

Other than that, no.
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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg113028#msg113028
« Reply #187 on: July 12, 2010, 07:44:10 pm »
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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg113077#msg113077
« Reply #188 on: July 12, 2010, 08:52:07 pm »
Also you may want to note that it is possible to kill a phoenix without killing the ash if you lobotomize its Phoenix ability. You mention that the ash can be lobo'd, but you make it sound like the only way its possible to kill the phoenix is by killing the ash when you can lobo then kill it.

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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg113089#msg113089
« Reply #189 on: July 12, 2010, 09:30:55 pm »
There is also a card that can kill a phoenix on his own, you might want to add that: Liquid Shadow.

O, and include a warning that people should wait after they immolated a phoenix till the ash is really on the table, before they end their turn.
Otherwise the ash will be considered played one turn after, so you have to wait 2 turns before you can rebirth it.

And you could add the fact that a minor phoenix is a lot better with immolation, because you can bring out 3 others after immolating a first one, meaning you need only 2 quanta to get 16 attack out (well, first 12 till the first one rebirths).
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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg113092#msg113092
« Reply #190 on: July 12, 2010, 09:35:22 pm »
Pretty much what the other said before me in regards to the Phoenix article, but otherwise, excellent job once again Bloodshadow. :)

However, I'm starting to think about this card in its dual-aspect; since you're putting up a main article for the Phoenix | Minor Phoenix, should you also place an article for Ash? I mean, Ash is an interesting card to write about as well, as you can transform it into a 6/1 'offensive' ash (via Rage Potions) before allowing it to transform back into a Phoenix, which can be pretty amazing for offensive power (although dangerous if you lose it).

Oh, and you should probably place Graveyard as a card that has synergy with it - enemy opponents may try to kill a Minor Phoenix repeatedly, which will spawn Skeletons for your Immolation combos. ;)

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Re: Weekly Featured Cards poll - Fire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7232.msg113097#msg113097
« Reply #191 on: July 12, 2010, 09:46:24 pm »
Ash isn't a standalone card, so I don't think we need an analysis on it. The Raging Ash combo is hilarious, but it's not really that practical; I don't want to risk my Ash being killed.

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O, and include a warning that people should wait after they immolated a phoenix till the ash is really on the table, before they end their turn.
This is a bug, right? I'm not sure if bugs should be included in the article...
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