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A legal way to win with near infinite life (and infinite rewards!?) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18493.msg235423#msg235423
« on: December 29, 2010, 08:45:22 am »
I have an idea to win with unlimited life total (an also with full health).
It may be inefficient, but let us discuss the possible extensions or applications.

Step 1.
Find a friend on the Top 50.

Step 2.
Ask him/her to modify his/her deck as:
Time Pillar x 8
Dune Scorpion x 4
Shard of Gratitude x 6
Stone Skin x 6 (no need to upgrade, but strongly suggested)
Chrysaora x 6
Mark of Water

Step 3.
Modify your deck as:
Eternity x 4
Animate Weapon x 2
Mind Gate x 2
Ray of Light x 2 (The only one required to upgrade)
Blessing x 2
Aether Pendulum x 9
Earth Pendulum x 9
Mark of Time

Step 4.
Repeatly select the opponent in Top 50 until you meet your friend.

Step 5.
Play with your friend's deck with NO threat in his deck at all.
Wait until the game is under the following situations:

1. You have an Eternity weapon and an animated Eternity on the field.
2. You have a Mind Gate and a Ray of Light on the field.
3. You have at least 12 Pendulum and at least 4 or them are Aether Pendulum.
    So you can generate 7 (12/2 Pendulum + 1 Mark)Time quantum and 2 Aether quantum every turn, in average.
4. You have a Blessing on your hand.
5. The opponent has at least 2 SoG on the field, so the computer will not be beaten by your 2 Eternity and Ray of Light.
6. The opponent has at least one Chrysaora and one Dune Scorpion on the field. (harmless  ;D)

Step 6.
Keep using the Mind Gate to copy the top card of the opponent's deck.
Once it is a Stone Skin, we can start the infinite loop:
(1) Activate the Mind Gate to get a copy of a Stone Skin.
(2) Use the first Eternity to reverse the opponent's Chrysaora.
(3) Use the second Eternity to reverse your Ray of Light.
(4) Use the Stone Skin to add yout life/life total. Your Earth quantum is keep increasing so you can add 75 life after several turns.

Since the opponent has a Mark of Water, the computer can play the reversed Chrysaora in the next turn again.
You can also play the reversed Ray of Light (free) again and again, and increase your life total again and again and again......

When you get enough life and want to finish the game, change your actions in a turn to:
(1) Use the first Eternity to reverse the opponent's Dune Scorpion.
(2) Activate the Mind Gate to get a copy of a Dune Scorpion.
(3) Use the second Eternity to reverse your Ray of Light.
(4) Play the Dune Scorpion.

Then, just Blessing your Dune Scorpion and repeat the Stone Skin loop until your opponent is neurotoxically dead.

If your Ray of Light do not produce enough Light quantum to use Blessing,
you can repeat the Stone Skin loop after you get the Dune Scorpion, but reverse Dune Scorpion instead of Ray of Light.
Since you can get 7+ Time quantum every turn, your Time quantum will be enough to play the Dune Scorpion in 2~3 turns.
Then you can keep Ray of Light on the field in 2~3 turns to produce Light quantum.
After that, change to reverse the Ray of Light and Blessing your opponent to death.

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Re: A legal way to win with near infinite life (and infinite rewards!?) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18493.msg235427#msg235427
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2010, 08:49:14 am »
There is a 500 HP maximum for health of players and creatures.

In the trainer using a Mindgate deck vs a T50 Rage/Quit deck, I would have had 620 HP, but the game only lets you have 500 at the end of a turn.  No screen shots though.
This is because Zanz put a cap on HP after somebody created a thread showing pics of them reaching upwards of 6000 HP.
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Re: A legal way to win with near infinite life (and infinite rewards!?) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18493.msg235429#msg235429
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2010, 08:54:27 am »
There is a 500 HP maximum for health of players and creatures.

In the trainer using a Mindgate deck vs a T50 Rage/Quit deck, I would have had 620 HP, but the game only lets you have 500 at the end of a turn.  No screen shots though.
This is because Zanz put a cap on HP after somebody created a thread showing pics of them reaching upwards of 6000 HP.
 >:(  :'(
Why do they restrict us to get great rewards by a non-cheating way???
 >:(  :'(

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Re: A legal way to win with near infinite life (and infinite rewards!?) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18493.msg235433#msg235433
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2010, 09:09:47 am »
There is a 500 HP maximum for health of players and creatures.

In the trainer using a Mindgate deck vs a T50 Rage/Quit deck, I would have had 620 HP, but the game only lets you have 500 at the end of a turn.  No screen shots though.
This is because Zanz put a cap on HP after somebody created a thread showing pics of them reaching upwards of 6000 HP.
 >:(  :'(
Why do they restrict us to get great rewards by a non-cheating way???
 >:(  :'(
maybe because cheating is bad?
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Re: A legal way to win with near infinite life (and infinite rewards!?) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18493.msg235436#msg235436
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2010, 09:19:42 am »
It's not technically cheating, but it is abusing the system. Reminds me of this Penny Arcade strip:


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Re: A legal way to win with near infinite life (and infinite rewards!?) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18493.msg235477#msg235477
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2010, 11:58:08 am »
Why do they restrict us to get great rewards by a non-cheating way???
Well, it's sort of broken if you allow for arbitrarily large amounts of health gain. Remember that your electrum rewards are proportional to your final health, and this reward will be higher than the listed maximum if you finish the game with higher than 100. If you had the time to rack up several thousand HP or more, you'd rack up an obscene amount of electrum for a t50 win. And then you'd double it, since you'd be winning with a mastery.

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Re: A legal way to win with near infinite life (and infinite rewards!?) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18493.msg235481#msg235481
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2010, 12:22:02 pm »
Why do they restrict us to get great rewards by a non-cheating way???
Well, it's sort of broken if you allow for arbitrarily large amounts of health gain. Remember that your electrum rewards are proportional to your final health, and this reward will be higher than the listed maximum if you finish the game with higher than 100. If you had the time to rack up several thousand HP or more, you'd rack up an obscene amount of electrum for a t50 win. And then you'd double it, since you'd be winning with a mastery.
 :(
I know the restriction is necessary, but I'm just a bit unwilling as I thought this method.

Maybe the upper bound of 500 life should be slightly increased.
Since 6x Stone Skin and 6x SoD can give you 570 + 100 = 670 life, which is a reasonable and non-infinite number.

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Re: A legal way to win with near infinite life (and infinite rewards!?) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18493.msg235934#msg235934
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 03:50:20 am »
The idea behind the stone skin buff is that you don't need the rare SoDs to reach the maximum health.
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