Tutorial remake: Thoughts please!

[Chapuz]

I have seen This tutorial was very helpful for many newcomers, but now it is definitely outdated.

I asked Higurashi if I could remake it, reformatting the decks that are still "neat rareless monos" of each element and changing the ones that can have obvious improvements. She said she would replace it if the remake was worthy.

BUT there can be made a better "neat mono" for 10 of the 12 elements starting with  faster and easier than starting with the respective element of the mono, because it is sold for ~200 electrum higher than the other starter decks. In many cases the difference is impressive.

Should I keep the "start with whatever you like most" speech or make a tutorial of the actual best way to make a consistent first newbie mono deck?

Spoiler for proof:

The following decks are the closest to the neat ones that can be made just selling cards from the starter decks, without playing a single game, both for  and the respective elements

 

Spoiler for Starting with Aether:

need 3 more dragons, 2 shields and 2 immortals, can't buy them selling the cards I have left.

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61p 61q 61q 61q 61q 61s 61s 61s 61s 61t 61t 61t 61t 61v 8pu

Spoiler for Starting with Darkness:

Only 2 dragons and 2 shields missing

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4sa 4sa 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61s 61s 61s 61s 61s 61t 61t 61t 61t 61v 61v 8pu

 

Spoiler for Starting with Air:

9  left

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4sa 4t3 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5od 5od 5od 5oe 5oe 5oe 5oe 5oe 5oe 5of 5of 5of 5og 5oh 5oh 5oh 8pr

Spoiler for Starting with Darkness:

61  left, had enough to sell replace and stuff for dragons

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5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oe 5oe 5oe 5oe 5oe 5oe 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 8pr

 

Spoiler for Starting with Death:

Almost, 1 dragon missing

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52h 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 8pk

Spoiler for Starting with Darkness:

Perfect and 47  left

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52h 52h 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 8pk

 

Spoiler for Starting with Earth:

3 Shriekers missing

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4t3 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58t 58u 58u 590 590 590 590 590 590 591 591 591 8pm

Spoiler for Starting with Darkness:

Standard Shrieker Rush

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4t3 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 591 591 591 591 591 591 8pm

 

Spoiler for Starting with Entropy:

4 dragons missing.

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4t3 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vh 4vh 4vi 4vi 8pj

Spoiler for Starting with Darkness:

2 dragons missing

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4t3 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 8pj

 

Spoiler for Starting with Fire:

Attempt of "Stall Faster" with 6 phoenixes to compensate the Fahrens. 3 Phoenixes missing, even selling the Fire Shield (can only have 2 phoenixes keeping the shield)

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4t3 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f1 5f1 5f3 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5fc 5fc 5fc 8po

Spoiler for Starting with Darkness:

only 1 phoenix missing, and had enough to buy a Fire shield

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4t3 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f5 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 8po

 

Spoiler for Starting with Gravity:

Trying to make This deck, 3 dragons missing

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55m 55m 55n 55o 55o 55o 55q 55q 562 562 562 562 562 8pl

Spoiler for Starting with Darkness:

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55m 55m 55o 55o 55o 55o 55q 55q 562 562 562 562 562 8pl

 

Spoiler for Starting with Life:

Almost, 3 more creatures for the classic life rush with 12 creatures

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5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 8pn

Spoiler for Starting with Darkness:

Neat, with 135  left

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5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 8pn

 

Spoiler for Starting with Light:

The closest it can get to This deck. 2 dragons and 3 blessings missing.

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l9 5l9 5la 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lc 5ld 5lf 5lf 5lf 8pr

Spoiler for Starting with Darkness:

2 Dragons missing. Similar to the one starting with light, but it has more after all.

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5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5la 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 8pr

 
Its price is 80  under  , that difference compensates the cards  Time's deck already has for a mono rush. Both can make practically the same mono Time rush and a neat ghostmare.

 
Its price of a NT rush is so low that any starter deck can build it.

PS:

• I may make a thread in GS&F to lower the prize of darkness cards in the bazaar too. Hopefully zanz will read it in the future
• I am making more than 1 deck for each element, not necessarily rushes

[treebeard xiii]

i would say put both options personally if i was advising a newbie i would say pick an element that appeals to you choose that starter, use your first run to learn the ins and outs of the game and second runthrough reset account and pick which you prefer, the element starter deck and have the best deck you want that you can build, or pick the dark starter and decide the deck you want and get that.

[Pella]

It's* prize** is 80  under  , that difference compensates the cards  Time's deck already has for a mono rush. Both can make practically the same mono Time rush and a neat ghostmare.

 
The prize** of a NT rush is so low that any starter deck can build it.
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PS:

• I may make a thread in GS&F to lower the prize** of darkness cards in the bazaar too. Hopefully zanz will read it in a*** future
• I am making more than 1 deck for each element, not necessarily rushes

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[Chapuz]

Well, I started making it starting from Darkness.  It may be finished tomorrow, thanks to Pella and dd who helped me with this dilema 

[furballdn]

It's a good article yes, but it gives off too much of a feeling of "do this" instead of letting players figure out for themselves some of the aspects of the game. Grinding is a big part of the game, but the true fun and enjoyment comes from figuring out combos and good decks by yourself.

[omegareaper7]

It's a good article yes, but it gives off too much of a feeling of "do this" instead of letting players figure out for themselves some of the aspects of the game. Grinding is a big part of the game, but the true fun and enjoyment comes from figuring out combos and good decks by yourself.

Its nice to have a point where you can fall back from if you screw up. This would provide just that. Which in my opinion is perfect for starters.

[Pella]

It's a good article yes, but it gives off too much of a feeling of "do this" instead of letting players figure out for themselves some of the aspects of the game. Grinding is a big part of the game, but the true fun and enjoyment comes from figuring out combos and good decks by yourself.

In general, there are two types of gamers:
1) Those who learn by doing.  Don't read anything, just jump into the game and go.  These players are VERY unlikely to read the tutorials before they begin, so let's not concern ourselves with them in the "So you're just getting started" threads.
2) Those who read before they start or very soon after.  These players are the ones who will be reading the tutorials in question.  These players will appreciate having a first deck laid out for them.  They will explore deckbuilding on their own later.

I am a #2 type player.  I think what Chapuz is writing is excellent the way it is.  It needs some fine-tuning, but it's definitely on the right track.

[TribalTrouble]

Personally I believe there is a #3 a mix of the 2 aforementioned players, which tends to be what I am. I tend to mix in games I play as to whether I read guides or just jump in and have fun, or a mix. I usually choose mix unless I feel like I understand it already.