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Title: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: pancosis on September 03, 2011, 06:17:23 am
I propose a challenge! go to trainer, design a deck for your opponent, one for yourself, set quanta to 100, and see how high you can make your opponents poison meter! tell us how high the poison got and what decks you used...  winner gets a cookie

btw: no restrictions, heal them, use nerotoxin, adrenaline, whatever
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: ariannarose on September 03, 2011, 07:15:00 am
not quite a trainer challenge but.. was playing around in the asycronous pvp arena the other day. the opponent had these items that healed for 5? 10? per turn and the items from green that heal per creature.. by the time i finally killed them i had 60 poison counters on him.  my deck was 6x dread scorpions, 6x upgraded momentums, 4 poisons and 2 deadly poisons. bonewall, upgraded arsenic and the unholy shield which was in overdrive that battle killing all his creatures the second they appeared which is a good thing since i had no way of healing >^.^<
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: Jen-i on September 03, 2011, 07:42:22 am
I'm too lazy and tired to figure out the most effective way to accomplish this but here's what I got in about 10 minutes

136 Poison (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/poisonchallenge.png/)
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: Djhopper :) on September 03, 2011, 07:58:15 am
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd223073/Poison.png)

My deck:
by Djhopper :)
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710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 715 715 715 715 71a 71a 71a 71a 71a 71a 71e 71e 71e 71e 71e 71e 74a 74a 74a 74a 74a 74a 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pl

AI deck:
by Djhopper :)
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6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 77c 77c 77c 77c 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 77k 77k 77k 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7am 7am 7am 7am 7am 7am 80i 80i 80i 80i 80i 80i 8pu
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: Pineapple on September 03, 2011, 08:02:16 am
Sorry, Djhopper, but I'm stealing your AI deck :D
I'm aiming for 512510+ poison >:]
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: Djhopper :) on September 03, 2011, 08:04:52 am
Sorry, Djhopper, but I'm stealing your AI deck :D
I'm aiming for 512 poison >:]
You need an anti-deckout for that; good luck :P
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: Pineapple on September 03, 2011, 08:23:22 am
You forgot that we can set our quanta to 100.
I planned on using chrysaoras and mindgates and deadly poisons and eternity and explosions so the weapon damage wouldn't get in the way and using aether pendulums and mark to power stuff so that AI can't get it
but i gave up :D
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: ffun on September 06, 2011, 08:28:06 pm
Heh, I love a challenge, so here's what I got:

The regular method:
Before the poison/AM bug kicked in, this is the highest I got:
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/199/toxinmax.jpg)

I should have killed the AI at that moment, but the AM bugged let me go up to this point before the kill (which I don't consider valid, since it's a bug):
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/559/toxinbug.jpg)

The vodoo method:
This is the best method I could think for getting the highest possible poison counter.

Before the virus/plague blow up:
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4369/toxvodoo1.jpg)

And right after (my current record at 660 counters):
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8371/toxvodoo2.jpg)

Decks used:
My deck
by ffun
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80a 80a 80a 80a 80a 80i 80i 80i 80j 80j 80j 80j 80j 80j 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 52q 52q 52q 52q 74a 74a 74a 74a 74a 7ap 7ap 7ap 7q8 7q8 7q8 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 6rs 6rs 6rs 6rs 8ps

AI
by ffun
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710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 712 712 712 712 712 712 719 719 719 719 719 719 7am 7am 7am 7am 7am 7am 7tg 7um 7um 7um 8pn

There are ways to get a higher count than I did, since it's definitely possible to get vodoos to fill the last 3 open spots, as well as ways to deal some more poison before you need to set up the virus bomb, but enough is enough and I wasted too much time with this already. :D
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: TheCrazyMango on September 06, 2011, 08:29:23 pm
shantu already won, i think he got around 800 poison counters
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: ffun on September 06, 2011, 08:36:16 pm
Actually I can see some straightfoward modifications to this basic set up to get up to ~875 counters, so 800 is by no means the best possible. But, again, I'm too lazy to keep tweaking it. :)
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: TheManuz on September 06, 2011, 10:26:53 pm
shantu already won, i think he got around 800 poison counters
Pic or it didn't happen!  :P
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: TheCrazyMango on September 06, 2011, 11:44:45 pm
shantu already won, i think he got around 800 poison counters
Pic or it didn't happen!  :P
Go to the "bigger is better" competition in the competition archive
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: ffun on September 07, 2011, 03:21:01 am
Did you mean this post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,15610.msg213730#msg213730) by Malduk (couldn't find one by shantu)? If that's it, then sorry, but you got the challenge completely wrong, since in that thread you are referring to, one was prohibited to use the trainer, while in this one you're supposed to use it to see how much poison you would get in the AI. If I was allowed to use PvP, as Malduk said he did, of course I could easily get it much higher, since I would have total control of both sides of the field. Also, if the OP said you could poison yourself instead of the AI, it would be much easier as well.

There are a number of additional things to consider when doing it on trainer, since the biggest problem is to work with the AI to have it do what you want. Just to begin with, you can't let it blow up any virus too soon, and you have to control its discards so it has exactly 7 plagues in hand, and not any other unused permanent or spell.
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: pancosis on September 07, 2011, 09:29:15 am
everyone seems to be enjoying this and you all way beat me so i tried again, i still got beat but heres what i did:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2d9r5g3.jpg)
my deck:
by pancosis
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6ug 6ug 6ug 6ug 6ug 6ug 71e 71e 71e 71e 74a 74a 74a 74a 74a 74a 7b0 7b0 7b0 7b0 7b0 7di 7di 7di 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7q8 808 808 808 80i 80i 8pu

ai deck:
by pancosis
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6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 77k 77k 77k 77k 77k 77k 7k2 8pq


this could use some editing, but the basic idea is there
ps: be honest if that bug happens, no cheating  >:(
pps: looks like "ffun"'s gonna take home that cookie
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: Malignant on September 07, 2011, 10:42:19 am
Screw the rules. Poison on yourself is easier.(http://i.imgur.com/PSzvH.png) (
&)Screw the rules. Poison on yourself is easier.

by Malignant
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6rs 6rs 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 80i 80i 80i 80i 80i 80i 8pu

by Malignant
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712 712 712 712 712 712 719 719 719 719 719 719 7gq 7q4 80i 80i 80i 80i 80i 81q 81q 81q 81q 81q 81q 81q 81q 81q 81q 81q 81q 8pu

Purify is Essential.
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: pancosis on September 07, 2011, 11:57:22 am
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
nice job but you got it backwards
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: RavingRabbid on September 07, 2011, 12:58:44 pm
I think I own the record for legit decks with my 199 VS Ferox.
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 07, 2011, 02:36:15 pm
This challenge should be postponed until Shard of Sacrifice (which turns damage into healing :P ) is implemented. ;)
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: Wadjet on September 09, 2011, 02:09:36 pm
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8072/587poison.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/587poison.png/)

Had to try, lol.
Title: Re: Trainer Challenge!
Post by: ffun on September 09, 2011, 05:29:28 pm
Screw the rules. Poison on yourself is easier.
I agree!  ;)
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4633/poisonrcd.jpg)

I can't explain how much easier it is - I would guess anyone could use the decks below and get it on their 1st try.
I do enjoy the decks anyway, much more elegant and simple than the ones for the real challenge. And it breaks the record on the other thread to boot! :)

My deck:
by ffun
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712 712 712 712 712 712 719 719 719 719 719 719 7ap 7ap 7ap 7ap 7jp 7jp 7q8 7q8 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 80j 80j 80j 80j 80j 80j 8pu

AI deck:
by ffun
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6rs 6rs 6rs 6rs 712 712 712 712 712 712 719 719 719 719 719 719 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 80j 80j 80j 80j 80j 80j 8pt


And a new one, following the rules and tweaking a bit the deck on my previous post:
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4708/poisonai.jpg)

My deck:
by ffun
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52q 52q 52q 52q 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 6rs 6rs 6rs 6rs 74a 74a 74a 74a 74a 7ap 7ap 7ap 7q0 7q0 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q8 7q8 7q8 7t4 7t4 7t9 7t9 7t9 7t9 7t9 7t9 7tc 7tc 7tc 7tc 7tc 7tc 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 7tg 80i 80i 80j 80j 80j 80j 80j 80j 8ps

AI deck:
by ffun
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6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 712 712 712 712 712 712 719 719 719 719 719 719 7am 7am 7am 7am 7am 7am 7t4 7t4 7t4 7tg 808 808 808 80j 80j 8pn
blarg: ffun,pancosis,Malignant