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Elements the Game => General Discussion => Topic started by: TheMonolith on July 11, 2011, 10:30:31 pm
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Am I missing something? The only way to have a T500 deck worth anything now is to hope the random cards you get from the Oracle are ones that you have other cards to utilize? If you get something useless or stupid (like catapults) then you just don't get a decent deck until the next day? Is that how it works? If so, can someone explain to me the reasoning behind it?
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Also, according to the text in-game, your first arena deck gets skeletons. Mine got (as I mentioned) catapults.
The T500 decks all have some kind of uber-buffing due to the skill points, right? So If I am lucky enough to get Oracle cards that support my strategy, and I can get that deck into the T500, I guess I need to just leave it alone, right? Because if I modify it at all I get new random Oracle cards?
Not trying to be a dumbass, but the in-game instructions are nebulous at best, and I don't have all day to search through hundreds of posts on this topic.
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You have 2 options
-build new
You use the cards from the oracle to make a new deck from scratch. can only do that once a day and takes the place of your previous deck
-Modify
You can change the deck you have with no limitations and penlaties other than the 5 oracle cards already in there.
Also you can press the modify button on the top right of your post, if you want to change anything in your post instead of double posting.
I hope that cleared some stuff up
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Also, according to the text in-game, your first arena deck gets skeletons. Mine got (as I mentioned) catapults.
The T500 decks all have some kind of uber-buffing due to the skill points, right? So If I am lucky enough to get Oracle cards that support my strategy, and I can get that deck into the T500, I guess I need to just leave it alone, right? Because if I modify it at all I get new random Oracle cards?
Not trying to be a dumbass, but the in-game instructions are nebulous at best, and I don't have all day to search through hundreds of posts on this topic.
Yes, you have to either include your current oracle card, or leave you old deck up. If you don't have cards to accompany the designated card then either buy some, or include the card in a deck that doesn't support it as a "dead" card, or just leave up your deck from a previous day until you spin a more usable card. As your card collection grows this becomes less of a problem.
You can modify your deck at any time by clicking the "modify" button. Doing so will not reset your stats nor cause you to use a new oracle card. Clicking on "build a new deck" otoh, will reset your deck to the new oracle card for the day.
Yes skill points buff your deck, but you can't get skill points by simply being in the top 500, rather you have a "level" kind of like in RPGs, where your account's score is like it's experience points. The higher your score, the more skill points you get to spend to make your arena deck more powerful.
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My deck is level 58. I'm not a noob, I've been playing almost since Elements was released. I have to say I'm not a fan of the new T500 so far. I thought the point was to make the T500 more consistent, with more good decks as opposed to dead/farm decks. It seems this way my only choice each day (other than lucky days I get a usable card) is to build a mostly crappy deck which includes, in all likelihood, 6 cards I don't want and can't use. How does this make it more likely I will enter a solid deck?
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Also you can press the modify button on the top right of your post, if you want to change anything in your post instead of double posting.
Yeah...this is something you say to brand new members, not as a smart comment. There's often a very good reason for people double-posting, as long as it isn't spamming.
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The Oracle's card will rarely prevent you from entering a good deck. I made a deck based on 5 skeletons, and it's currently 5th in gold league.
If you're skilled enough, you can make a good deck with almost any card. Catapult is an unlucky card to have, but you'll probably get something better next day.
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Lemme see if I get this...
Today, I went into the Arena for the first time. I built a new deck (which includes catapults against my wishes) and I enter it in (probably bronze) APvP. I'm fairly sure it's going to lose, since I don't have -or want- cards that support catapult. So, tomorrow, I can either modify my crappy deck or take a shot at a different set of 6 cards I probably won't use. Repeat ad nauseum until the lucky day the oracle gives me cards I want, at which point I can have the deck I've been using for months, only super-buffed because of all the skill pts I have?
The players who will nearly always win are simply the ones who spammed the Oracle every day enough to get the seed cards they want... I'm sorry, I know how much work must have gone into this, but it seems really stupid to me.
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My deck is level 58. I'm not a noob, I've been playing almost since Elements was released. I have to say I'm not a fan of the new T500 so far. I thought the point was to make the T500 more consistent, with more good decks as opposed to dead/farm decks. It seems this way my only choice each day (other than lucky days I get a usable card) is to build a mostly crappy deck which includes, in all likelihood, 6 cards I don't want and can't use. How does this make it more likely I will enter a solid deck?
Also you can press the modify button on the top right of your post, if you want to change anything in your post instead of double posting.
Yeah...this is something you say to brand new members, not as a smart comment. There's often a very good reason for people double-posting, as long as it isn't spamming.
Sorry if i was straightforward. I dont mean anything bad by it. And I didnt mean it as a smart comment either. It just didn't seem like a 2nd post was necessary, I dont care just some people dont know.
I am just explaining what I know about t500 and hopefully trying to answer what you are asking. There really isnt a way to choose better oracle cards, but you can usually spin something out that is pretty effective. I think TORB had a catapult titan deck that is pretty hard to beat. your other choice though to to keep your decent deck from the day before instead of replacing it with one that cant really make a viable deck
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I have no way of knowing if the retarded deck I am forced to build will even be effective, since I can't test it at all except vs. my usual deck.
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I have no way of knowing if the retarded deck I am forced to build will even be effective, since I can't test it at all except vs. my usual deck.
The trainer is the closest thing to being able to test it, if you do not have other decks
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Lemme see if I get this...
Today, I went into the Arena for the first time. I built a new deck (which includes catapults against my wishes) and I enter it in (probably bronze) APvP. I'm fairly sure it's going to lose, since I don't have -or want- cards that support catapult. So, tomorrow, I can either modify my crappy deck or take a shot at a different set of 6 cards I probably won't use. Repeat ad nauseum until the lucky day the oracle gives me cards I want, at which point I can have the deck I've been using for months, only super-buffed because of all the skill pts I have?
It's not going to take months to get a card that can make a good arena deck. You'll probably get something decent every couple days, and the you can buy the cards to support it. If you are a skilled player, it will make it very high in the rankings.
The players who will nearly always win are simply the ones who spammed the Oracle every day enough to get the seed cards they want... I'm sorry, I know how much work must have gone into this, but it seems really stupid to me.
Um, it doesn't really take a lot of time to visit the oracle. So I don't see how there is a problem with people that visit it every day, because that is what you are supposed to do. And if they get a strong deck, its HP will be close to 0 after a week, and it will soon fall out of the Arena. It isn't stupid, I think you are just disappointed that you aren't getting the one card you want.
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If you get something useless or stupid (like catapults) then you just don't get a decent deck until the next day?
Catapult is a great card :)
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I don't understand what you mean that a person's deck will be close to 0 HP by the end of the week...
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I don't understand what you mean that a person's deck will be close to 0 HP by the end of the week...
The deck will lose HP each passing day.
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I don't understand what you mean that a person's deck will be close to 0 HP by the end of the week...
you should at least read zanz's 2 posts in that topic. They really explain everything. Decks "age" so after a day it loses HP and after another it loses more HP. I think it goes 2,4,8,16,32 etc so eventually your deck wont have enough HP to remain viable.
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Is this a way of making the T500 about players with a lot of cards instead of decks that are actually consistently good? Because that's the effect.
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Is this a way of making the T500 about players with a lot of cards instead of decks that are actually consistently good? Because that's the effect.
Well, you are supposed to kind of think outside of the box with this. You might get cards you don't like, but you might be able to make a great deck out of that that evolves into something more.
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It's ok... Every so often big changes are made to this game that fark everything up. I'm sure in the next couple weeks level heads will prevail and this profoundly broken system will get remade better. I'll just take a break from Elements for a while.
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It's ok... Every so often big changes are made to this game that fark everything up. I'm sure in the next couple weeks level heads will prevail and this profoundly broken system will get remade better. I'll just take a break from Elements for a while.
Noone is forcing you to play/submit t500...
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the old T50 was (when it didn't produce a farm deck) the best way to compare my deck vs. other players' decks of comparable power. How do I do that now?
To me, this wreaks of a scheme to get players to grind, grind, grind instead of using their intelligence and skill. If you don't have nearly a full set of 6 of every card, you are most likely to get shafted by the T500 system. I have a very good deck that wins most of the time, but not when I get 5 random cards thrown into it.
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the old T50 was (when it didn't produce a farm deck) the best way to compare my deck vs. other players' decks of comparable power. How do I do that now?
To me, this wreaks of a scheme to get players to grind, grind, grind instead of using their intelligence and skill. If you don't have nearly a full set of 6 of every card, you are most likely to get shafted by the T500 system. I have a very good deck that wins most of the time, but not when I get 5 random cards thrown into it.
PvP would be a much better way to learn about other players decks.
And this update is MUCH more geared toward strategy, by forcing you to constantly try new strategies due to the new cards in your deck. The old t50 otoh was only accessible to a small number of players and most of us only interacted with it through grinding.
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the old T50 was (when it didn't produce a farm deck) the best way to compare my deck vs. other players' decks of comparable power. How do I do that now?
To me, this wreaks of a scheme to get players to grind, grind, grind instead of using their intelligence and skill. If you don't have nearly a full set of 6 of every card, you are most likely to get shafted by the T500 system. I have a very good deck that wins most of the time, but not when I get 5 random cards thrown into it.
Yeah, cause farms and CCYB are great for comparing to your rush deck
/sarcasm
Most of the old T50 was FG farmers or farms, with a few harms and some USEM.
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OK, you guys win. The T500 is totally fair and a really awesome idea. Have fun with it.
Maybe I'll see you guys in another month or so...
(the last time I played a PvP game that didn't crash due to bugs was years ago - and it took over 1/2 hour. Not a viable alternative.)
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the old T50 was (when it didn't produce a farm deck) the best way to compare my deck vs. other players' decks of comparable power. How do I do that now?
To me, this wreaks of a scheme to get players to grind, grind, grind instead of using their intelligence and skill. If you don't have nearly a full set of 6 of every card, you are most likely to get shafted by the T500 system. I have a very good deck that wins most of the time, but not when I get 5 random cards thrown into it.
I think you may have gotten something mixed up. You can use your own deck to play against the arena. The 5 cards from the oracle are only for when you want to create a deck for the AI to use in the arena.
Edit: Actually I'm now fairly confident that you got that mixed up. Otherwise you're making no sense. You said you're level 58, meaning that when T50 existed, you were likely never in the T50, since your score was probably not high enough. The new T500 is trying to allow anyone to be in the T500, and to do that everyone is allowed to build a deck for the AI, using the oracle card (so we won't just play against the same fire rush, ccyb, etc.). This deck that you build with the oracle card is only for the AI to use. When you want to fight against someone in the arena, you still use whatever deck you usually use.
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Off Topic
Just wondering you said you are level 58 what did you spend your electrum on because you keep saying you have 1 deck? no offense just wondering
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I have only enough common cards to support the deck I like. At one point in time, I sold dozens of rare cards because I needed the cash to overhaul my deck after one of the drastic rule changes. I have always believed that people should profit from a high win % vs. good opponents, not from grinding for months.
What's wrong with playing the same decks consistently if those decks win consistently?
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. However... the world of elements does change. Thus, with each new update, the old decks will become obsolete, or at the very least less efficient.
Also... what's the difference between grinding and having a good win percentage? Don't those two go hand in hand anyway?
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Platinum league should be a good way to test your deck (ignore the firestalls, though).
Arena is a nice way of expanding my deckbuilding skills since I learned to use my other cards. I don't sell cards that are not in excess, which is why I had the cards to use some of the cards that oracle gives me. Most of my decks posted are unupped but they still do good. Money really isn't the key, just plain creativity.
And I also have a poor bronze account that usually stays around top 100. :D
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