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Time/Aether and Gravity/Entropy are not opposites and should be swapped. CMM https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66494.msg1282539#msg1282539
« on: November 18, 2018, 12:26:45 am »
 :time and  :aether are opposites.
 :gravity and  :entropy are opposites.

I dont believe it should be this way.
It SHOULD look like this;

 :time and  :entropy are opposites.
 :aether and  :gravity are opposites.

Here's why;
 
Outer Space is often called the Space-Time Continuum. Going at light speed in space will, in theory, make you go back in time. Time and space go hand in hand.
Looking at cards, Both Aether and Time use a form of stalling to get stronger creatures out. Both use different types of damage if they are being counter-stalled (Spell and Neurotoxins) and both have cards that can synchronize (Anubis and SoW)
There are similarities therefore they are NOT opposites.
Time is linear. You can either go forward or, in theory, backwards. You cannot go up and you cannot go down in time. You cannot go diagonal and you cannot go in. Time is NOT random. Entropy is randomness. Entropy is NOT linear. Randomness can be anything, anywhere, any direction. Time and Entropy share no similarities and are therefore opposite.
Looking at the cards in Elements to support this further. Time's base strategy is to stall in order to get stronger creatures out or to set your opponent up for a deck out.
Entropy's base strategy is using your opponents deck against them. If they kill your creature, you get an even stronger creature or you cannot be hurt. If they get a really strong creature out, you make it heal you.

There are no similarities in base strategy therefore opposite.

Aether is space, no gravity. While there is gravity in certain spots in space, there is space everywhere. Space is open, free, multidimensional. Gravity is down, heavy, linear.
Looking at cards in Elements to support this farther.
Aether has untouchable cards, immortal dragons and warriors. They dont need much HP as they cannot be targeted by traditional means. Aether's Lobotomizer is a direct counter to 2 of Gravity's main creatures. Otyugh and Armagio.
Gravity has thicc, high HP creatures that are meant to be attacked instead of your health. Gravity's Titan is a direct counter to a main card of Aether, Dimensional Shield.
They share no similarities and therefore opposite.


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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2018, 12:58:56 am »
Time is linear. You can either go forward or, in theory, backwards. You cannot go up and you cannot go down in time. You cannot go diagonal and you cannot go in. Time is NOT random. Entropy is randomness. Entropy is NOT linear. Randomness can be anything, anywhere, any direction. Time and Entropy share no similarities and are therefore opposite.

Entropy increases with time. They are not opposites at all.
Gravity holds systems together, allowing the creation of areas with lower entropy. As far as elements goes, this is a good choice for an opposite.

As for time and aether, well as you say it represents spacetime. It's like life and death, both parts of the circle of life, but opposite all the same.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2018, 01:23:51 am »
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2018, 01:24:22 am »
Looking at the cards in Elements to support this further. Time's base strategy is to stall in order to get stronger creatures out or to set your opponent up for a deck out.
Entropy's base strategy is using your opponents deck against them. If they kill your creature, you get an even stronger creature or you cannot be hurt. If they get a really strong creature out, you make it heal you.

time can't stall, it can control or denial, it doesn't have a real cc or heal with in element cards
entro can stall decently/good and i won't call the "use your opponent decks against them" only for antimatter

Aether has untouchable cards, immortal dragons and warriors. They dont need much HP as they cannot be targeted by traditional means. Aether's Lobotomizer is a direct counter to 2 of Gravity's main creatures. Otyugh and Armagio.
Gravity has thicc, high HP creatures that are meant to be attacked instead of your health. Gravity's Titan is a direct counter to a main card of Aether, Dimensional Shield.

phase dragon is immaterial only because otherwise it was broken in combo with parallel universe (u can have a dragon out for 7 :aether after the first u play ) and fractal, being immaterial is a huge nerf and it has nothing thematic
gravity main creatures are sofo, graviton guards and chargers

They share no similarities and therefore opposite.

water has a weapon able to target pillars
air has a weapon able to target creatures
water can counter poison, air can't
air can bypass shields in 2 ways, water can't even okho with 6 bolts alone
permafrost shield counter damsels, a main card of air
air and water are opposite

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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2018, 01:53:15 pm »
Aether is.. aetherial. It's unaffected by the passage of time unlike everything else in the universe, and it's the only thing that can negate the flow of time. It's immutable, imperishable and separate from the space-time that everything else is a part of. It would be unnatural if it didn't transcend nature. If there was an element called Space, Aether would be its opposite as well.

Time being linear only concerns one directional aspect and doesn't make it structured or ordered. Going back in time seems to be possible, which means we're in for quite some chaos we can't perceive yet.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2018, 05:20:21 pm »
Aether is.. aetherial. It's unaffected by the passage of time unlike everything else in the universe, and it's the only thing that can negate the flow of time. It's immutable, imperishable and separate from the space-time that everything else is a part of. It would be unnatural if it didn't transcend nature. If there was an element called Space, Aether would be its opposite as well.

Time being linear only concerns one directional aspect and doesn't make it structured or ordered. Going back in time seems to be possible, which means we're in for quite some chaos we can't perceive yet.

Let's suppose that in the future time travel is possible. Which kinda means that already happened, there are time travelers between us. But because of causality is time travel is needed to maintain
past, present and future?

On a personal perspective I think multiple universes are possible. Which means that if someone travels back in time and changes something that won't destroy the already existing future
just creates a new way, a new alternate universe.
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scientifically aether and gravity dont exist  :P
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scientifically [snip] gravity dont exist  :P

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scientifically aether and gravity dont exist  :P

Gravity doesn't exist? C'mon! Even gravitational waves were detected!
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2018, 11:54:55 pm »
scientifically aether and gravity dont exist  :P

Scientifically neither does Time.

btw im pretty sure Gravity does exist in the scientific community. Theory of Gravity still holds up. and before you say that "thats a theory, doesnt mean its real" everything we know in science is a literal theory.
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2018, 12:17:34 am »
You are mixing up "theory" with "hypothesis". Theories have a firm ground.

I often like to think that Time doesn't really exist (only as a concept in our head), but science
shows otherwise. Think about the space-time continuum etc.
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