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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433360#msg433360
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2011, 03:39:30 pm »
Just curious, how does a creature with 0 attack attack an opponent after receiving buff. Som creatures I can mentally picture it, but others it becomes difficult. Growth creatures aren't included, as the buff could have just activated however they normally attack and makes some sense.

List of 0 attack creatures that dont grow in attack naturally: Fate Egg, Voodoo Doll, Iridium Warden, Chrysaora, and devourer

On the flip side, why do dune scorpion and deathstalker thematically have 0 attack, while their Life brother does? Why can some nymphs damage the opponent (and fairly well at that) but not others? Just curious.

Fate Egg - perhaps it launches itself upon the opponent
Voodoo Doll - same as above
Iridium Warden - well, this is a guardian, after a buff he is more dangerous and begins to attack both enemy creatures and opponent
Chrysaora - buff gives them a temporary skill to attack in the same way as Physalia
Devourer - Normally, they are not aggressive (they are parasites after all, they want the opponent alive for food), but at night they go angry and start biting. A buff could have the same effect.

As for scorpions. The Life one has the weakest poison. Perhaps stronger poisons require more energy to produce it, so the Dune Scorpion and Deathstalker are naturally more peaceful and don't strike unless provoked. A buff could work in the same way as on Devourers.

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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433379#msg433379
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2011, 05:07:30 pm »
You're thinking all about physical damage. While in game is treated as is, to make it fit thematically you could just think they're releasing energy or something like that. Although throwing a fate egg to your opponent should hurt.

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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433381#msg433381
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2011, 05:31:33 pm »
It's hard not to think about physical damage, when it is physical damage.

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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433382#msg433382
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2011, 05:43:51 pm »
In most cases, a possible thematic mindset for 0-attack things being able to attack is that all creatures, no matter the attack value, attack, but some creatures cannot penetrate the damage barriers of the elemental and therefore do no damage.
That's all well and good, but how do these things attack?

Fate Egg - perhaps it launches itself upon the opponent
Voodoo Doll - same as above
So blessing an egg gives it the ability to launch itself?
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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433444#msg433444
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2011, 07:47:11 pm »
The game states is physical damage, but it makes no sense if you think about it, that's why you shouldn't think exactly like the game does. Otherwise it won't make sense.

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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433487#msg433487
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2011, 09:40:16 pm »
in any game, you have to pay attention to both theme and mechanics and give each some degree of attention.  to make all mechanics work perfectly thematically would take an immense amount of work and an immense amount of wording on each card.  momentum lets creatures break through shields, but photons have no mass so should momentum have an exclusion list in its text for photon, ray of light, spark, and ball lightning?  well it makes sense thematically, but not mechanically.  dune scorpions, why do they have 0 base attack?  it makes sense mechanically but not thematically.  you have to find a balance, and in the end, mechanics should trump thematics because that is what is more important to gameplay.
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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433743#msg433743
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2011, 04:52:13 am »
Kinetic energy. A blessed fate egg will ram into you for damage. Either that or it magically grows legs and starts kicking you.

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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433855#msg433855
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2011, 02:38:21 pm »
In most cases, a possible thematic mindset for 0-attack things being able to attack is that all creatures, no matter the attack value, attack, but some creatures cannot penetrate the damage barriers of the elemental and therefore do no damage.
That's all well and good, but how do these things attack?

Fate Egg - perhaps it launches itself upon the opponent
Voodoo Doll - same as above
So blessing an egg gives it the ability to launch itself?
No, what would be consistent with my explanation would be unblessed eggs launch themselves at the opponent but just bounce off like nothing has happened. How eggs can launch themselves, however, is a different question/topic.

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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433964#msg433964
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2011, 07:05:37 pm »
Magic, obviously. Those are no regular eggs!

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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg433971#msg433971
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2011, 07:20:19 pm »
I dont really see either voodoo doll or fate egg launching themselves anyways. doll is stuck to the wall with those pins with dark marks at the end, and egg has that cage thing around it.
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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg434167#msg434167
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2011, 02:03:06 am »
No, you see, when a creature is blessed, they start shining really glowy light. That itself does 3 damage to your opponents eyes. More blessing=more shining=more damage.

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Re: Thematic Question: creatures and attacking https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34324.msg439351#msg439351
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2011, 09:14:07 pm »
i can't stop lololololing about the eggs XD

>scorpions? maybe the :death is really half-dead (Schrodinger, you little gremlin XD), :time is under dunes.. upon increasing their power, they become able to hit..
  >or maybe they're just that damn smaller than forest scorpions? seems like almost everything's bigger when you're in a forest.. or not? :o

>ashes? ever had ash in your eyes? can probably blind, right? so yeah, the animation-upon-blessing seems so right here XD

>voodoo dolls? maybe the needles on it start going haywire and fling everywhere, hitting the opponent in the process?

 

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