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The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265306#msg1265306
« on: June 12, 2017, 09:58:07 pm »
What are the worst element pairings? And can you make them work?

I love coming up with new and unfamiliar decks; there may not be such thing as a truly unique deck any more, but there are certainly unusual ones - and some with good reason.

I once made a beginner-tier :air / :darkness deck that was aptly named "Windark" (that's a joke; it never wins ::) ), and I figured with a real lack of synergy in the newbie meta these could be competitors for worst duo. But with Fog and Stiletto being a solid defense for just 3, :rainbow, and Shard of Freedom being one of the strongest cards in the game (like with Vampires, for example), I just couldn't keep this on the list.

So how about some others?
:entropy / :aether?
:life / :gravity?
:water / :light?

Do your worst ;)

*Edit* Definitely struggling for a good :entropy / :light deck :D
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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265307#msg1265307
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2017, 10:03:32 pm »
 :gravity / :life is easy

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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265308#msg1265308
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2017, 10:08:17 pm »
Ship all da elements, anything can be shipped.

 :entropy/ :light usually aren't a thing (Dissanctuary, 'nuff said). I haven't seen duo  :fire and :time either. Same for  :life and :time. That said, I don't really count as a super deckbuilder or a pvp player.
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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265309#msg1265309
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2017, 10:29:40 pm »
Ship all da elements, anything can be shipped.

 :entropy/ :light usually aren't a thing (Dissanctuary, 'nuff said). I haven't seen duo  :fire and :time either. Same for  :life and :time. That said, I don't really count as a super deckbuilder or a pvp player.

Yeah actually I just built :entropy / :light as a stall, that seems to be the way to go with those. I'd love to see :fire / :time! I enjoy the red and yellow, so they *must* be a great combo right? :D

*Edit* Actually, time seems to have a lot of non-synergies. :air, :water, :fire, :gravity? I think it can work with :life if you combine Mitosis with Shard of Readiness though. Instosis was a FG-killing machine before they nerfed the shard.
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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265310#msg1265310
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2017, 10:32:08 pm »
You can combine saders with discord, like team light did last war.
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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265312#msg1265312
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2017, 10:37:47 pm »
*Edit* Actually, time seems to have a lot of non-synergies. :air, :water, :fire, :gravity? I think it can work with :life if you combine Mitosis with Shard of Readiness though. Instosis was a FG-killing machine before they nerfed the shard.


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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265313#msg1265313
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2017, 10:45:44 pm »
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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265314#msg1265314
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2017, 10:46:54 pm »
*Edit* Actually, time seems to have a lot of non-synergies. :air, :water, :fire, :gravity? I think it can work with :life if you combine Mitosis with Shard of Readiness though. Instosis was a FG-killing machine before they nerfed the shard.


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Are we counting the upped 0 :rainbow version? :sillyspin: I think if it's just splashing Sundials that's not exactly a duo, though I appreciate that's how they're sorta officially categorized.
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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265325#msg1265325
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2017, 06:40:33 am »
The worst duos might be found when you combine two "complete" elements, i.e. Fire and Darkness. Raging Dolls do nothing Phoenixes don't apart from Liquid Shadow resistance and potential vampiric attackers, so that's probably the least rewarding synergy. Darkness does benefit from the stronger CC in Fire; there's always going to be something.

Another method is to add the worst unupped element to a complete one, such as Gravity and Aether. Add Animate Weapon and you have a good deck, but that's a trio. Gravity is consistently the hardest to build with for Team Aether since Psion came out and made Charger obsolete in the duo.

Life and Aether has the same problem when you can't include Animate Weapon. Frogtal is a fine deck, but Silences being the only pseudo-PC it has, it's usually just better to run Psiontal. PU Dragons is great with Jade Dragons, but it works with any element.

So I guess you either find the worst duo deck, or you look at how little an element adds to another. Two different ways to measure.
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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265327#msg1265327
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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265330#msg1265330
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2017, 09:57:38 am »
It's also worth considering duos from 'in element' style rules perspectives.

For example, without 50% in element, :water :time can build patient DeVu/Scarabs, but if it needs to be 50% :water, there's very little usable synergy with :time other than possibly just splashing RT, but it's usually not worth it
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Re: The Worst Duo Elements https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64648.msg1265331#msg1265331
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2017, 11:12:00 am »
 :fire :entropy is a bit iffy as well.


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 :entropy/ :light usually aren't a thing (Dissanctuary, 'nuff said). I haven't seen duo  :fire and :time either. Same for  :life and :time. That said, I don't really count as a super deckbuilder or a pvp player.

Yeah actually I just built :entropy / :light as a stall, that seems to be the way to go with those. I'd love to see :fire / :time! I enjoy the red and yellow, so they *must* be a great combo right? :D

*Edit* Actually, time seems to have a lot of non-synergies. :air, :water, :fire, :gravity? I think it can work with :life if you combine Mitosis with Shard of Readiness though. Instosis was a FG-killing machine before they nerfed the shard.

Don't forget about sundials+ :air. Sundials  :fire  But besides that they don't have much.

Btw here are a lot of Duos:

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