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The Gauntlet - PvE Challenge [v1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60481.msg1215197#msg1215197
« on: November 17, 2015, 07:36:38 am »
THE GAUNTLET
Welcome to the Gauntlet. In this chamber are some of the most powerful mortal beings in this world. Can you take them on, stripped of your most powerful tools with your strength slowly draining? How long will you last?

Step 1: Forming Your Weapon
Build a deck for use against Half-Bloods. It must meet the following requirements:
- exactly 40 cards
- three or four elements
- seven or more cards in each element used (pillars/pends included)
- all cards must be playable through normal means
- all quanta produced must be consumable through normal means
- fully upgraded

Half-Bloods are possible to beat relatively consistently with a fully unupped deck, given no restrictions. These restrictions were chosen to be challenging enough to make getting to zero upgrades extremely difficult, but not too challenging as to overwhelm players with early losses. I'm sure there's workarounds to the rules and I'm eager to see how players discover and utilize them, as this is essentially a prototype.

Don't worry about not having upgrades or rares - you can do this challenge in the Trainer! Just select 'Level 40' on the left panel.

Step 2: Facing the Gauntlet
Send your deck against Half-Bloods. When you win, unupgrade a card, and repeat. When you lose, you get one more chance to win and remove an upgrade - if you lose two in a row, the challenge ends. The goal is to make it as far as possible, with increasing difficulty due to losing upgrades. If you reach 0 upgrades and win that game, congratulations, you have beaten the Gauntlet.

Ideally, post the deck you started with, as well as a log of who you played, what you unupgraded upon wins, and who you lost to. Anything else (screenshots, lore, thought process, etc) is welcome, but not required.

Appendix: Variants
If you use a variant, please note it. Attempting the challenge without variants is preferred.
Quick: remove 2 upgrades instead of 1 upon each win. (slightly easier)
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Re: The Gauntlet - PvE Challenge [v1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60481.msg1215216#msg1215216
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2015, 02:33:21 pm »
This is interesting. I'll give it a try some time.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2015, 02:55:07 pm »
I’d say removing 2 upgrades after a win, otherwise it takes too long. Will do this sometime and record it.

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Re: The Gauntlet - PvE Challenge [v1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60481.msg1215233#msg1215233
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2015, 04:36:14 pm »
Well, I'm 10-0 so far, although Teriel was admittedly a bit of a challenge.

It shouldn't be difficult for anyone who knows me well to guess the deck I'm using.
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Re: The Gauntlet - PvE Challenge [v1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60481.msg1215240#msg1215240
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2015, 05:13:08 pm »
Started from this:
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Re: The Gauntlet - PvE Challenge [v1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60481.msg1215383#msg1215383
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2015, 08:39:55 pm »
Hm, lost twice with 21 upgrades left in the deck. 4 losses overall, most of which were more towards the end. Will have to try again with the Quick variant.
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Re: The Gauntlet - PvE Challenge [v1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60481.msg1215411#msg1215411
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 12:40:56 am »
I plan to give the Standard version a go tonight (or sometime near future).  This looks like a lot of fun here, dd.  Thanks for posting!
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 04:28:30 am »
- seven or more cards in each element used (pillars/pends included)
I've gotten over halfway with the variant change that I don't count pillars/pends towards this limit since it'd be too easy, cheap and make the deck look ugly. Will post deck, losses, strat if I finish.
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Re: The Gauntlet - PvE Challenge [v1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60481.msg1215454#msg1215454
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Do I get it right that if we simply find a fully unupgraded deck with 40 cards that fits the requirements, then we essentially found the way to beat the Gauntlet?
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2015, 05:02:29 pm »
With persistence, yes. It's an ordeal to get through 40 games, and it's legit difficult not to lose 2 in a row while doing it. Even the deck with the fewest weaknesses (which I've found) can match up against a very specific counter twice in a row. It'll lose by only a turn, but it's still a loss.



Finally did it with my 4th iteration of the stallbow. All finished versions, in order of conception:

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This was my personal favorite and first thought because it wins much faster than all the others and works beautifully alongside Dials. After a loss to early Pulvy by one turn (only thanks to its speed) and another to AoE, I moved to the next idea. Unupgrading order isn't very important besides doing half quanta, HG's, rest quanta and Physalia last.

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I really liked the extra Purifies because it makes a lot of matchups more consistent in that you don't lose to various and fast offence thanks to the healing. They mitigate early offence and allow some wins against the likes of Momentum/Poison. The Quinted grower strat obviously ignores AoE. After getting pretty far, I finally lost twice in a row to Pulvy (once EA'd, but late). Unupgrading order goes half quanta, HG's, rest quanta last.

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My first foray into Earth because I just had to have Pulvy. This is certainly capable of running the Gauntlet, but BE showed up twice in a row. Note that you can survive mid-game Pulvy/BE if your deck is fast and late-game Pulvy/BE if it's not, but early Pulvy/BE twice in a row is too much. Unupgrading order puts half quanta, Pulvies, HG's, rest quanta and Gnomes last.

This is when I had to concede that I needed both PC and CC. I considered Lightnings, but there wasn't room. I tried a variant with Lobo (works best with the Water base and can likely make the Gauntlet), but my search for perfection forced me to move on to Wardens/Squids. Squids were nice because Chrystal remains really fast, but Pulvy is just too good in the long race.

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The pinnacle of trio HB safety. Yes, the Stone Pillar is intentional. Unupgrading order puts half quanta, Pulvies, HG's, rest quanta and Wardens last. That gives you only 4 games of slight CC vulnerability.



Some screenies:

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Far from the only RNG loss. It was a frustrating journey.
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There would've been a risk of decking out with any other deck here. That's the main strength of Chrystal: redonkulous stallbreaking power.

I imagine more will come. I enjoyed the challenge and saw a lot of interesting/colorful board states, but that took a decent amount of time. I think the next challenge will be to do it with an actual trio/quartet quanta base instead of QP's.
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Re: The Gauntlet - PvE Challenge [v1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60481.msg1215521#msg1215521
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2015, 10:18:03 pm »
Congrats Higs, that Wardenbow looks incredibly solid.

Memo to self: Consider banning or restricting QT for future challenges - they weren't intended to be allowed here, but since I failed to cover them properly in the rules, I have no room to complain, haha. As it is, I might amend the challenge to restrict them.

I’d say removing 2 upgrades after a win, otherwise it takes too long. Will do this sometime and record it.

I can understand 40+ games being tedious. As such, I've added a variants section to the OP, including 2-upgrades, and I'll add more in the future.

I plan to give the Standard version a go tonight (or sometime near future).  This looks like a lot of fun here, dd.  Thanks for posting!

No problem, I look forward to your attempt :3
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Re: The Gauntlet - PvE Challenge [v1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60481.msg1215554#msg1215554
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2015, 07:53:01 am »
My best run yet obeying ALL THE RULES and especially the using all quanta generated and -1 upgrade after each win rules.

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Looooong video here that I may shorten or speed up later if I have time and desire...

*EDIT1: Yeah, 1h 25m is probably too long to really get any views.  However, I will say there are some remarkable results/games in the set of 39 duels so if you care to see it look for me to bump this post after I've edited the video for playback speed.

*EDIT2: Shorter video has now replaced the original via the above link.
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