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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1049007#msg1049007
« Reply #60 on: March 07, 2013, 01:57:28 am »
Upped Aether

TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulative
15 Aether Towers
2 Ball Lightning
5 Aether Towers
Ball Lightning
55
2FractalBall Lightning
Fractal(>Ball Lightning)
7xBall Lightning
8*5=4045
3ElectrocutorElectrocutor550
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Fractal(>Ball Lightning)
8xBall Lightning
9*5+5=50100

4 turns for Aether going first. Pretty sure the quanta works out right.

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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1049039#msg1049039
« Reply #61 on: March 07, 2013, 05:13:58 am »
Alright, I see in the table that Aether has a 7-turn non-complete kill... I have a 7-turn full-kill Aether solution to share, below.

Unupped Aether
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulativeQuanta Pool
01Aether Pillar x6, LoboAether Pillar x6007 Aether
02Phase SpiderSpider, Lobo998 Aether
03Phase SpiderSpider132212 Aether
04FractalFractal (Spider), Discard Spider13357 Aether
05Aether PillarPillar, Spider x221569 Aether
06Aether PillarPillar, Spider x333899 Aether
07LightningLightning, Spider x24613510 Aether

Edited per CuCN comment below... because I did somehow forgot to add Mark quanta production.
Did you forget quanta from the mark?

Upped Aether
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulativeQuanta Pool
01Aether Tower x5, BL x2Towers, BL x15511 Aether
02FractalBL x1 > Fractal (BL) > BL x740456 Aether
03Phase ReclusePhase Recluse7529 Aether
04FractalBL x1 > Fractal (BL) > BL x8521046 Aether
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 07:04:59 am by rob77dp »
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1049045#msg1049045
« Reply #62 on: March 07, 2013, 05:51:13 am »
Did you forget quanta from the mark?

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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1049048#msg1049048
« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2013, 06:01:19 am »
Unupped Aether
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulative
16 Aether Pillar
Phase Spider
6 Aether Pillar00
2LobotomizerPhase Spider
Lobotomizer
4 + 5 = 99
3Phase SpiderPhase Spider4x2 + 5 = 1322
4FractalFractal(>Phase Spider)
Discard(Phase Spider)
4x2 + 5 = 1335
5Aether PillarAether Pillar
2x Phase Spider
4x4 + 5 = 2156
6Spark3x Phase Spider
Spark
4x7 + 5 + 3 = 3692
7Lightning2x Phase Spider
Lightning
4x9 + 5 + (5) = 46138
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 06:59:32 am by majofa »

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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1049061#msg1049061
« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2013, 08:28:14 am »
Unupped Aether
TurnDrawDamageCumulative
17 Aether Pillar00
2Nymph77
3PU or Nymph7x2 = 1421
4PU or Nymph7x3 = 2142
5PU or Nymph7x4 = 2870
6PU or Nymph7x5 = 35105

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TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulative
16 Pillar, PeggyPillars00
2BlessingPeggy33
3GloryGlory, Blessing, Dive6x2 +7 = 1922
4BlessingBlessing, Dive9x2 +7 = 2547
5PhotonPhoton, Dive9x2 +7 +1 = 2673
6PhotonPhoton, Dive9x2 +7 +2 = 27100
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1049093#msg1049093
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2013, 11:25:05 am »
Upped Aether
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulativeQuanta Pool
01Aether Tower x5, BL x2Towers, BL x15511 Aether
02FractalBL x1 > Fractal (BL) > BL x740456 Aether
03Phase ReclusePhase Recluse7529 Aether
04FractalBL x1 > Fractal (BL) > BL x8521046 Aether
Phase Recluse costs 4 :aether meaning you only have 8 quanta next turn and can't play Fractal.

I've found a slight improvement to the one I posted.

Upped Aether

TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulativeQuanta
15 Aether Towers
Phase Salvager
Ball Lightning
5 Aether Towers
Phase Salvager
6610 :aether
2FractalBall Lightning
Fractal(>Ball Lightning)
7xBall Lightning
8*5=40466 :aether
3ElectrocutorElectrocutor5519 :aether
4FractalBall Lightining
Fractal(>Ball Lightning)
8xBall Lightning
9*5+5=501016 :aether

It turns out Phase Salvagers do have a use - 1 damage overkill!

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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1049138#msg1049138
« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2013, 03:56:11 pm »
Upped Time (5.125)
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulativeQuanta Pool
1Time Tower x6, Ghost(uu) x1Towers#1-6, Ghost(uu)#17*1=70+7=70+13-6=7 :time
2Ghost(U)#1Ghost(U)#17*1+9*1=167+16=237-7+7=7 :time
3Ghost(U)#2Ghost(U)#27*1+9*2=2523+25=487-7+7=7 :time
4Ghost(U)#3Ghost(U)#37*1+9*3=3448+34=827-7+7=7 :time
5Ghost(U)#4Ghost(U)#47*1+9*4=4382+43=1257-7+7=7 :time

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Upped Fire (4.118)
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulativeQuanta Pool
1Burning Tower x2, MP x1, Crema x2, Destroyer x2Tower(2) >MP >Crema(2) >Destroyer(2)7*2=140+14=149 :fire
2Seraph(U)act-Destroyer(2), Serpah(U)9*2+12=3014+30=443 :fire
3Fahrenheit(U)Fahrenheit(U)9*2+12+5=3544+35=793 :fire
4aMP#2MP#29*2+12+5+4=3979+39=1184 :fire
4bFire Lance ('cuz theyz kuhl!)Lance9*2+12+(5+1)+3=3979+39=1185 :fire

***REMOVED DOUBLE POST - OOPS!  and below is the contents of what started as double-post***
Spoiler for I think I can improve just a SLIGHT BIT on your Unupped FIRE, majofa:
Unupped Fire
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulative
15 Burning Pillar
Ash Eater
Immolation
5 Burning Pillar00
2Crimson DragonAsh Eater(Immolation)
Crimson Dragon
12 = 1212
3FahrenheitFahrenheit12 + 6 = 1830
4Crimson DragonCrimson Dragon12x2 + 5 = 2959
5Lava GolemLava Golem12x2 + 5 + 5 = 3493
6PhoenixLava Golem(Growth)
Phoenix
12x2 + 5 + 7 +7 = 43136

Can it get any faster?
And I believe this moves Fire into 2nd place for unupped monos with no RNG or Shards.

Unupped Fire (6.138)
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulativeQuanta Pool
1Burning Pillar x7Pillars (7)008 :fire=0+8
2Fahrenheit(uu)Fahrenheit(uu)(4+2)=60+6=613 :fire=8-3+8
3Crimson Dragon#1Dragon#1(4+2)+12=186+18=2411 :fire=13-10+8
4Crimson Dragon#2Dragon#2(4+1)+12*2=2924+29=539 :fire=11-10+8
5Seraph(uu)Seraph(uu)(4+1)+12*2+10=3953+39=928 :fire=9-9+8
6PhoenixPhoenix(4+1)+12*2+10+7=4692+46=1389 :fire=8-7+8
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1049605#msg1049605
« Reply #67 on: March 09, 2013, 01:43:04 am »
Unupped Aether
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulative
17 Aether Pillar7 Aether Pillar00
2Turquoise NymphTurquoise Nymph7 = 77
3Turquoise NymphTurquoise Nymph7x2 = 1421
4Turquoise NymphTurquoise Nymph7x3 = 2142
5SparkN/A7x3 = 2163
6FractalFractal(>Spark)7x3 + 3x8 = 45108

Found 3 more damage.

 

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