The Fastest Element

[majofa]

Now that I think it over, if you're allowed perfect RNG luck, Sofree > All.

Well, we're trying to remove 'Luck' from this, but I'd still like to see how fast Air is with and without Shards.

Also, the reason Life is one of the fastest is also the reason why it's one of the weakest. Losing 2 cards from a dead adrenaFrog can hurt a lot.

[Elbirn]

Upped Darkness

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Turn	Draw	Play	Damage	Cumulative
01	1 Obsidian Tower, 2 Dark Pendulum, 2 Gargoyle, 1 Bloodsucker, 1 Vampire	1 Obsidian Tower, 2 Dark Pendulum, 1 Bloodsucker	3	3
02	1 Eclipse	1 Gargoyle	10	13
03	1 Vampire	Eclipse	14	27
04	1 Dark Pendulum	1 Dark Pendulum, 1 Gargoyle	23	50
05	1 Dark Pendulum	1 Dark Pendulum, 1 Vampire	29	79
06	1 Obsidian Tower	1 Obsidian Tower, 1 Vampire	35	114
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So there's my attempt at an upped mono darkness, will edit this post if I get anything better. Important question btw. Is the opponent's hand to be considered empty or full? In my case, I gave a detailed breakdown of a game played in trainer against an AI with an all pillar deck. At one point I was considering packing nightmares, as they'd do 16 damage all in one go. I removed them as I figured it wouldn't be very fair.

Also, for future testers, here, have a template. Originally by Kev, I just prettied it up and made it blank.

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[majofa]

Upped Darkness

Turn	Draw	Play	Damage	Cumulative
1	5 Obsidian Tower 1 Gargoyle 1 Bloodsucker	5 Obsidian Tower 1 Gargoyle	7	7
2	1 Eclipse	1 Eclipse 1 Bloodsucker	14	21
3	1 Gargoyle	1 Gargoyle	23	47
4	1 Gargoyle	1 Gargoyle	32	79
5	1 Gargoyle	1 Gargoyle	41	120

Beat ya by a turn

(I guess we'll use overkill as a tiebreaker)

[Chapuz]

flying weapon isn't  , photons aren't  , damn

[dragonsdemesne]

Upped Air

Turn	Draw	Play	Damage	Cumulative
1	6 Damselfly 1 Air Tower	6 Damselfly 1 Air Tower	2x6	12
2	Elite Wyrm	Elite Wyrm	2x6 + 5 = 17	29
3	Elite Wyrm	Elite Wyrm, Dive on 1st wyrm	2x6 + 5 + 5x2 = 27	56
4	Sky Blitz	Dive 2x wyrms, sky blitz	2x6x2 + 5x2x2 + 5x2x2 = 64	120

4 turns!   I win a cookie?

edit: corrected math as per majofa's observations

[Absol]

Monofire Unupped

Turn	Draw	Play	Damage	Cumulative
01	6 Burning Pillar, 1 Phoenix	6 Burning Pillar	0	0
02	1 Phoenix	Phoenix	7	7
03	1 Phoenix	Phoenix	14	21
04	1 Phoenix	Phoenix	21	42
05	1 Phoenix	Phoenix	28	70
06	1 Phoenix	Phoenix	35	105
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09	---	---	---	---
10	---	---	---	---

Could be improved, since this is still slower than Monolife.

What is this madness?!

Also, a handy template (better than quoting Elbirn's post:)

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[dragonsdemesne]

Fire can probably do even faster if you can use shard of bravery and you assume your opponent is just dumping pillars or something.  I'll try to think of a fast unupped one and if there's a better one than 4 turns air.

[Elbirn]

Fire can probably do even faster if you can use shard of bravery and you assume your opponent is just dumping pillars or something.  I'll try to think of a fast unupped one and if there's a better one than 4 turns air.

I don't feel that's entirely fair, as a real opponent wouldn't have a dumped hand at all times. Granted we're throwing fairness out the window when we assume no resistance from an opponent. Like I asked earlier, a ruling on whether or not opponent's hands should be empty or full should be made.

...Cuz if empty, I'm totes gonna make an even faster mono dark with nightmares against an opponent running nothing but dark pillars. 16 instant damage spell cards? Yes please.

[majofa]

There can be different categories. 

[dragonsdemesne]

Quanta in brackets after each play, as this one's a bit confusing...

Monowater Upped

Turn	Draw	Play	Damage	Cumulative
01	6 Water Tower 1 Nymph's Tears	6 Tower(6) 1 Tears(0) (5 tower in play)(6 at EOT)	6	6
02	Water Tower	Water Tower(7), use queen ability(3) (5 tower, 2 nymph in play)(9 EOT)	12	18
03	Water Tower	Water Tower(10), use queen ability twice(2) (4 tower, 4 nymph in play) (7 EOT)	24	42
04	Water Tower	Water Tower(8), use queen ability twice(0) (3 tower, 6 nymph in play)(4 EOT)	36	78
05	doesn't matter	use queen ability once(0)(2 tower 7 nymph in play)	42	120

Not as good as the air one, but still pretty fast.  It's also much less RNG dependent than any of the other ones listed, since this deck might have 6x nymph's tears 24x water tower.

[furballdn]

Upped death

Turn	Draw	Play	Damage	Cumulative
01	Bone Tower Bone Tower Bone Tower Flesh Recluse Bone Tower Bone Tower Arsenic	Towers Arsenic Flesh recluse	10	10
02	Flesh Recluse	Flesh Recluse	17	27
03	Flesh Recluse	Flesh Recluse	24	51
04	Ivory Dragon	Ivory Dragon	36	87
05	Flesh Recluse	Flesh Recluse	43	130

[dragonsdemesne]

Upped Time

Turn	Draw	Play	Damage	Cumulative
1	5 Time Tower 1 Fate Egg 1 Shard of Readiness	5 Time Tower 1 Fate Egg 1 Shard of Readiness, hatch into 2 ruby dragon (6 EOT)	30	30
2	Fate Egg	Fate Egg (3 )(10 EOT)	30	60
3	Shard of Readiness	Play SoR on Egg, get 2x ruby dragon	60	120

Yeah, yeah, I know... but he didn't say we couldn't use fate egg :p  You can similarly do unupped time in 4 turns.  Start with 5 pillar, egg, SoR, play 5 pillar turn 1.  Turn 2 draw egg, play egg/sor, get 2 crimson dragon, attack for 24.  Turn 3, draw SoR, play egg/sor, get 2 crimson dragon, attack for 48.  Turn 4, draw whatever, attack for 48.

Also works for any hatch of at least 13 attack in the upped version and 10 attack in the unupped version.  (and some combinations of higher and lower attacks, depending on which is hatched first)