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The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048043#msg1048043
« on: March 04, 2013, 07:08:29 pm »
Which element truly is the fastest?

With an optimal draw, what elements can win faster than others... say in 5 or 6 turns?

How much of a difference do upped cards make between the Elements.

For this study:

It will be assumed that the test deck goes first.
There will be no resistance from the opponent, who will have 100 HP.
There will be no use of Mutation, Chaos Seed, or Pandemonium to get super-mutations or TUs.
For Entropy: With and without Chaos Power will be included.
No 'Other' cards.
-possibly anything else I've missed-

Unupped (No Shards or RNG)
ELEMENTTURNSDAMAGE
Life5100
Fire6138
Air6126
Time6123
Earth6120
Darkness6115
Death6115
Gravity6113
Entropy6110
Aether6108
Water6102
Light799+
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048044#msg1048044
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2013, 07:10:06 pm »
Only monos?
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048045#msg1048045
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2013, 07:11:02 pm »
Only monos.

Also, list the card order of the draw, and a description of the plays and damage.

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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048048#msg1048048
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2013, 07:26:52 pm »
Look at the trials masters tourney, upped mono rushes -> decided by draws.
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048051#msg1048051
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2013, 07:32:55 pm »
In pure monos, I find :life pretty good in unupped meta. Adrenafrogs deal 12 damage per turn for 2 cards and 6 :life quanta.
Also, :fire in unupped meta has Ash Eater & Immolation & Lava Golem, which is 3 cards and 7 :fire quanta plus and deals 5 damage per turn plus +2 per turn for 1 :earth quanta powered by a Mark of Earth alone. This combo can be relatively easily performed even at second turn and seems faster than a regular Adrenafrog tactic.
Water ( :water ) can have a fair rush with Toadfish and Time ( :time ) with GotP, but they don't have any buffs in-element, so they fall behind imo.
Death ( :death ) is also very fast and it has one of the fastest AI3 grinders.
Air ( :air ) may has Dive and Sky Blitz for extra damage, but in unupped meta it has relatively expensive creatures, dive is an expensive ability and sky blitz is even more expensive.
Earth ( :earth ) with a Mark of Time has 8 damage per turn by sacrificing 2 turns & 3 :earth & 1 :time & 1 card, which I find quite awesome.
Light ( :light ) can rush with a Mark of Air and by buffing a Pegasus with Blessings and using Diving, but it is somewhat expensive and a bit slow.
Entropy ( :entropy ) is just too expensive to rush unupped. 5 :entropy for 5 atk is just not good enough; other elements have more cost-effective options and rush faster.
Darkness ( :darkness) is strong but slow, though a lot of Devourers played early can provide you with enough quanta to summon a couple of Black Dragons. But still, too much for 10 damage per turn.
Aether ( :aether ) is just too damn expensive and unupped things are even worse.
Gravity ( :gravity ) in unupped metagame just can't rush as fast as every other element out there.

In my point of view, in unupped meta we have :life, :death and :fire for the fastest ones. I may later write my opinion about upped meta too...
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048055#msg1048055
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2013, 07:40:23 pm »
Unupped Life
TurnDrawPlayDamageCumulative
15 pills, 2 frogs5 pills00
21 adren1 frog, 1 adren1212
31 adren1 frog, 1 adren2436
41 frog1 frog2763
51 dragon1 dragon37100

Edited because maj pointed out my original example mathfail.

maj, are 'Other' cards okay?
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048057#msg1048057
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2013, 07:50:02 pm »
mono Fire can probably win turn 3 if the opponent duly empties his hand every turn.
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048059#msg1048059
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2013, 07:50:36 pm »
This isn't a generalization, this is for no RNG, pure speed.

6 turns for Aether, maybe it can be faster?
Also, without Shards need to be shown.
Spoiler for Aether:
[[1]]
Aether Pillar
Aether Pillar
Aether Pillar
Aether Pillar
Phase Spider
Shard of Wisdom
Shard of Wisdom
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[0+5=5aether]4x Aether Pillar + Aether Mark
[HAND = Phase Spider, Shard of Wisdom, Shard of Wisdom]
=
[[2]]
(Shard of Wisdom)
[5-3=2aether]->Phase Spider (4/2)
[2-2=0aether]->Shard of Wisdom -> Phase Spider (8/2)
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[100-8=92hp]Phase Spider (8/2)
[0+5=5aether]4x Aether Pillar + Aether Mark
[HAND = Shard of Wisdom, Shard of Wisdom]
=
[[3]]
(Shard of Wisdom)
[5-2=3aether]->Shard of Wisdom -> Phase Spider (12/2)
[3-2=1aether]->Shard of Wisdom -> Phase Spider (16/2)
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[92-16=76hp]Phase Spider (16/2)
[1+5=6aether]4x Aether Pillar + Aether Mark
[HAND = Shard of Wisdom]
=
[[4]]
(Shard of Wisdom)
[6-2=4aether]->Shard of Wisdom -> Phase Spider (20/2)
[4-2=2aether]->Shard of Wisdom -> Phase Spider (24/2)
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[76-24=52hp]Phase Spider (24/2)
[2+5=7aether]4x Aether Pillar + Aether Mark
[HAND = N/A]
=
[[5]]
(Parallel Universe)
[7-7=0aether]->Parallel Universe -> Phase Spider (24/2)
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[52-24=28hp]Phase Spider (24/2)
[28-24=4hp]Phase Spider (24/2)
[0+5=5aether]4x Aether Pillar + Aether Mark
[HAND = N/A]
=
[[6]]
(Lightning Bolt)
[5-2=3aether]->Lightning Bolt -> [4-5=0hp]
kev's format might be better though.. (In turn 4, you played a frog and it seems to have added 5 damage)

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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048063#msg1048063
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2013, 08:05:43 pm »
Life, Life, Life, Fire if your lucky, Life. Did I mention Life? No? Life. Get one.

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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048066#msg1048066
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2013, 08:13:54 pm »
maj, are 'Other' cards okay?
They are not.

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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048076#msg1048076
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2013, 08:48:02 pm »
Posting to follow. Also, I'll see what I can do to make the fastest darkness deck when I have time, but frankly we all know that'll be one of the slower decks... My goal is to at least not be last place. :P
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Re: The Fastest Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47429.msg1048096#msg1048096
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2013, 09:39:46 pm »
Now that I think it over, if you're allowed perfect RNG luck, Sofree > All. :(

 

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