Suggestion for dividing Elements into 4 different groups

[Lolnoob333]

I agree that these make intuitive sense, I'd even contemplated suggesting semi-quanta pillars on these in the wiki.
Elemental pillar -> generates 2 random quanta per turn from the elements (, , , )
Balance pillar -> generates 2 random quanta per turn from the elements (, , , )
Power pillar -> generates 2 random qanta per turn from the elements (, , , )

i like this idea its good

[storyteller]

Materials:
Earth, Water, Air, Fire

Forces:
Gravity, Time, Entropy, Aether

States:
Life, Death, Light, Darkness.

I think these make a bit of sense if you break it down. I could be terribly wrong though. Anyway, thats how I see it.

[tyranim]

midnight's grouping is also pretty good, they all have a decent balance of offense and defense. there is a problem tho, the thread said 4 groups, not 3...

[acelink]

Materials:
Earth, Water, Air, Fire
Forces:
Gravity, Time, Entropy, Aether
States:
Life, Death, Light, Darkness.

I never really thought of explaining them that way...  I like that organization although we cannot use that to show all the opposing elements on one wheel. 

We could REALLY use that idea-- split the elements into 3 separate groups groups and then show opposing elements.

[Kael Hate]

I don't like this.
It stinks of Good and Evil.

Elements aren't grouped in any way any more than any other combination except for the balance which is in reality a compliment. Why are we insisting on grouping elements in categories at all? No element is defined as part of some greater element thats why it is an element. There is no restriction that prevents Gravity and Aether being linked together to make something why are they grouped apart? If there was to be a group it would be only 1 group consisting of all the elements.

"A fundamental, essential, or irreducible constituent of a composite entity"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/element

[tyranim]

its only a little fun, whats wrong with that? forums shouldnt be uniform and professional all the time. we need some kind of entertainment, other than the forum games, which are getting in my way in the show new replies thing

[Scaredgirl]

Materials:
Earth, Water, Air, Fire

Forces:
Gravity, Time, Entropy, Aether

States:
Life, Death, Light, Darkness.

I think these make a bit of sense if you break it down. I could be terribly wrong though. Anyway, thats how I see it.

Yes, I've seen that before. What is new is the names you've given, which I like... I think.

This was something I first considered in that War event but then thought that it would get too complicated so I went with only 2 groups. I think someone posted an image of this at some point. I think is was a wheel with in the middle, but unfortunately I couldn't find it.

When grouping is 3's, you could also use

"Good" 
"Neutral" 
"Evil" 

If you wanted elements like Life and Death on opposing sides.

There are many options here.

[storyteller]

here is one I like best, it has the Materials in the center, the four states of matter, with the forces around it:

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[pepokish]

As I said in the chat, Lord Midnight, I absolutely love the second version of your design.  It's more difficult to label and explain than Scaredgirl's version, but I think it does a terrific job of showing the various relationships between the elements -- on several dimensions.  Great job with this!

[Chemist]

here is one I like best, it has the Materials in the center, the four states of matter, with the forces around it:

I really like this design, though maybe you should move, say darkness and light to where gravity and entropy are (and vice versa)? That way all 4 forces of each group are connected by a square.

[Scaredgirl]

here is one I like best, it has the Materials in the center, the four states of matter, with the forces around it:

I really like this design, though maybe you should move, say darkness and light to where gravity and entropy are (and vice versa)? That way all 4 forces of each group are connected by a square.

Yes, I agree with this.


I have to say I really like the fact how the Materials are in the center. It's kind of like the center on existence with all these other forces around it affecting it. Very cool.

Might become a bit too complex though. We'll have to see how this plays out.

Either way, good job Lord.

[Glitch]

For the sake of parallelism, the  group should be called destruction, as the  group was called creation, but that's just being picky.  The fact that earth has a lot pillar destruction means the category fits a little bit better IMO.  Otherwise these pairings look amazing.  As for the other two teams...
  - Offense.  Momentum makes shields useless, mutants are crazy powerful, and lycanthropes are amazing too.  Adding in chaos power shows entropy's offensive power. As for fire, lances/Fahrenheit are very offensive.
    - Defense.  Freeze and freeze shield is crazy defensive.  Reverse time and Turtle shield and sun dial are defensive.  Phase shield, lobotomize, and immortality also fit in the defense catagory.


Problems with the proposed setup would be gravity and entropy on one team, and aether time on the other.  You can fix this by swapping gravity and aether.  So the teams would be
Offense:    for lances, mutants, and the fact that you cannot be creature controlled.
Defense:      for freezes, delays, and otyughs/armagios.

I love it either way =D