Suggestion for dividing Elements into 4 different groups

[acelink]

yeah, I like this idea. My suggestion would be to put fire where earth is, put earth where water is, and put water where fire is. Then change the name of decay to destruction.

You see water as chaotic?  I'm interested... 

Anyways... I would rather shift all the groups (not elements) counter-clockwise one space and rename the groups according (like i mentioned in my earlier post).  You would end up with Darkness Death & Fire aka Destruction.

[doomeister]

yeah, I like this idea. My suggestion would be to put fire where earth is, put earth where water is, and put water where fire is. Then change the name of decay to destruction.

That would kill the whole "opposing elements" system.

Fair enough. I just think the elements fit better that way. It's really good how it is though.

yeah, I like this idea. My suggestion would be to put fire where earth is, put earth where water is, and put water where fire is. Then change the name of decay to destruction.

You see water as chaotic?  I'm interested... 

Anyways... I would rather shift all the groups (not elements) counter-clockwise one space and rename the groups according (like i mentioned in my earlier post).  You would end up with Darkness Fire & Death aka Destruction.

Well water in rivers and the sea is moving constantly so its kinda chaotic. And rocks dont move much so thats why I think earth is order.

[Chemist]

You see water as chaotic?  I'm interested... 

So do I. Aside from the violent storms out in the oceans it makes me think of turbulent flows, which are chaotic in nature (the complete description of turbulence is one of the unsolved problems in physics).

[Scaredgirl]

yeah, I like this idea. My suggestion would be to put fire where earth is, put earth where water is, and put water where fire is. Then change the name of decay to destruction.

You see water as chaotic?  I'm interested... 

Anyways... I would rather shift all the groups (not elements) counter-clockwise one space and rename the groups according (like i mentioned in my earlier post).  You would end up with Darkness Death & Fire aka Destruction.

Sure, that could work (updated original post). I'm bit worried about balance though. "Zomg Aliens!" don't have much synergy between them.

[tyranim]

i like acelink's grouping, air is rather chaotic and hard to control.

[Robsta43]

Oh and don't we already have a sort of a group division: (, , , ) (, , , ) (, , , ). I'm not sure know how these groups would be called, but they all make complete intuitive sense. These elements fit together, even if they are pairs of opposites. On the minus side three groups may mean more trouble planning events (not divisible by two) and this also doesn't take balance into consideration.

I agree that these make intuitive sense, I'd even contemplated suggesting semi-quanta pillars on these in the wiki.
Elemental pillar -> generates 2 random quanta per turn from the elements (, , , )
Balance pillar -> generates 2 random quanta per turn from the elements (, , , )
Power pillar -> generates 2 random qanta per turn from the elements (, , , )

however this idea could be applied to a 4 division system, but those pillars/towers would be pretty powerful (or overpowered) if it's generating 2 quanta from a posible 3 elements.

[Scaredgirl]

i like acelink's grouping, air is rather chaotic and hard to control.

Look at Air cards.

FFQ and Firefly have synergy with and .

Air has zero synergy with  and  .

[Scaredgirl]

Oh and don't we already have a sort of a group division: (, , , ) (, , , ) (, , , ). I'm not sure know how these groups would be called, but they all make complete intuitive sense. These elements fit together, even if they are pairs of opposites. On the minus side three groups may mean more trouble planning events (not divisible by two) and this also doesn't take balance into consideration.

I agree that these make intuitive sense, I'd even contemplated suggesting semi-quanta pillars on these in the wiki.
Elemental pillar -> generates 2 random quanta per turn from the elements (, , , )
Balance pillar -> generates 2 random quanta per turn from the elements (, , , )
Power pillar -> generates 2 random qanta per turn from the elements (, , , )

however this idea could be applied to a 4 division system, but those pillars/towers would be pretty powerful (or overpowered) if it's generating 2 quanta from a posible 3 elements.

That's a great idea actually. Go start a thread about it at once.

Um.. that might have sounded sarcastic but it's not. It IS a great idea.

[tyranim]

oh this is about synergy?

ok how about...

  = creators
  ( or , idk yet)= decay
  ( or )= order
  = chaos

those elements seem to hold together as far as synergy goes

[Scaredgirl]

oh this is about synergy?

ok how about...

  = creators
  ( or , idk yet)= decay
  ( or )= order
  = chaos

those elements seem to hold together as far as synergy goes

  and  in the same team?

[tyranim]

of course, you cant have life without heat to energize it. besides, fire for offence, life for healing. it fits, kinda. people seem to be trained into thinking elements is all about combos. its not, you have to have offense and defense to have a good deck. if you focus too much on one, it will imbalance the deck making it situational, which isnt good

[pepokish]

The newest incarnation of the wheel makes the most sense to me.  I really like the way everything fits together... except the "zomg aliens!" section.

Everything else is so perfect.  Gravity/Time/Earth are beautiful together, as are Life/Light/Water. 

I also find it interesting that air has Thunderstorm, and aether has Lightning.

EDIT: What if "zomg aliens"/core were renamed to "measurable" (Earth, time, gravity) and immeasurable (aether, entropy, air), or something to that effect?