Suggestion for dividing Elements into 4 different groups

[Demagog]

I have two for change because I really couldn't think of any way to interpret entropy other than change. I tried grouping it in a life category and a couple others, but nothing really worked.

And aether is the "material" between matter that allows light to travel (one reason why I grouped it with light). So it is a material that causes change by moving light from one place to another. I agree, it doesn't fit well there, but it's as good as I could do... aether doesn't fit well with anything.

Also, the top row is the worst grouping in my opinion. I based it on entropy, the only way death is change is that it is the end of life (it could also be in constancy because death can't be changed), aether is only a "catalyst" for the movement of light, and water is really the only chaotic thing there. You're welcome to come up with a better name for the row (or any of the groupings).

[Scaredgirl]

So I remember we have pondered several ways in which to group the elements while keeping opposites separate. I wasn't able to find the topics that discussed such, other than the war thread, and the way I wanted to order the elements was different from the suggestions I remembered in the past. I wanted a way to show two different groups an element could belong to at the same time. So I came up with the following:





For the most part it's based completely on relations. Each element in a row is related in a certain way, as is each element in a column. Column one represents change/flux. Column two represents evil. Column three represents forces (light is energy). Column four represents our world. Row one is change/chaos. Row two represents constancy. And row three is a combination of things that are closely related (fire produces light and depends on air, life depends on light and "air" [oxygen], so fire and life both depend on air while fire provides life with light and life provides fire with fuel).

Hopefully this will help in the future if we need ways to group elements. Enjoy.

On a side note, this took me around an hour to make... it's not easy to group things in two ways at once while keeping opposites separate.

There IS a thread for this already. Actually on this same page. And right below this thread.

Merging threads.

Yep, the old bug is still here and merging a Poll thread with something else removes the poll.

But no worries, while that poll said that the majority is for this idea, there have been so many different versions that we have no idea whether they voted for my original version or something else.

We need a new poll.

[Demagog]

Forgive me for being blind :-p

That's always been a problem for me though... in fact, right after posting I started looking for my belt. I was looking all over the place and couldn't find it, which is strange because when I take it off, the place it goes is the floor. Then I happen to look at the bed and there it is. I must have put it there when I was picking out clothes to wear. That's more of an example of forgetfulness, but I still miss whatever is right in front of me all the time.

[Boingo]

I still don't get why everybody keeps lumping earth in with destruction. Sure, it may be cardwise, but in reality (which is what these should be based off of imo), the Earth isn't really destructive. I mean, it's the only planet thus far discovered that could support life...

I agree wholeheartedly--earth is a more about order than decay.  Clay is malleable and can be used to form just about anything.  Of course, we're not the first people to have these thoughts: "Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."

In fact, if you look at the OP almost everything fits pretty well except the 2 elements that could easily trade places are and .  (To be fully honest, it wouldn't bother me if and were switched too, but it's not as glaring a problem as earth and water.) Sure, water is essential for life, but it's a pretty destructive/erosive force.  Think about rain eroding soil, a tsunami wiping out everything in its path, waves crashing against the rocks reducing them to pebbles and sand.  That seems to be a better argument for water as decay and earth as order.

Yeah, I know, not perfect.  But better IMO.

[acelink]

My most recent idea.

Gravity flux? WTF
Yes.  Gravity's force is always changing.  Nothing is ever stagnant in the universe.  It either gains force as two objects get closer.  It loses force as objects go away.  F=mg/d²

Aether stable?

Aether is a cyclical, unchangeable element, and (perhaps only in my mind) that seems to lend itself more toward order and structure.

I really wish Aether could be considered flux.  That would make this whole thing pretty.

[Demagog]

Darkness and death have nothing to do with destruction. Darkness is an absence of light. Death is after life.

Gravity is constant. The amount of force it has depends on mass and distance. If conditions remain the same, gravity does not change.

Your creation group should be called life.

Time is not stable. The flow of time depends on your relative speed.

[acelink]

Darkness and death have nothing to do with destruction. Darkness is an absence of light. Death is after life.

They are usually categorized into destruction.  Darkness/Death/Fire have all been known to cause destruction in the world.
In terms of the game.  Darkness destroys opponents quanta by stealing it.  Death destroys creatures/life via poison.

Gravity is constant. The amount of force it has depends on mass and distance. If conditions remain the same, gravity does not change.

You are right.  Gravity does not change.  The force of gravity changes. That could kinda be seen as flux.  While gravity does pull things together, it also rips apart other things.  (Think of a black hole)

Your creation group should be called life.

The element Life is 'Life'.  That would be rather redundant. 

Time is not stable. The flow of time depends on your relative speed.

Also depends on the how massive something is.  (that always confused me)



But now I can move time to flux now and gravity to stable.  It makes things work with your definition of things.

Stagnant might be a better word for "stable".  Destuction should be destruction... bad typo

[Downsociety]

I always thought gravity vs. aether and entropy vs. time.
binding versus fickle, chaotic versus precise

I think such a wheel is necessary, and friend groups would be awesome. In fact I clicked to general discussion part to suggest this myself.
what can I say, great minds think alike

yes same here i like the idea of time/entropy aether/gravity

[Bloodshadow]

Gravity VS Aether and Entropy VS Time is wrong. This is not an opinion, because in the game, Zanz grouped Gravity and Entropy together and Time and Aether together. There is no room for discussion, because it is His Divine Will.

[Demagog]

All praise the almighty Zanzarino! May he bless our decks in our upcoming battles. Armagio

Armagio = Amen

[zebala]

Nobody else wants to comment on Kael Hate's grouping suggestion? He's absolutely brilliant! Best grouping so far, in my opinion. It's so.. scientific. Anything that's based on math and physics can't go wrong.

[Downsociety]

Has anybody thought of 6 different groups? each element would have an ally and 2 opposing elements.
   Death/Darkness VS Life/Light
  

   Water/Earth VS Fire/Air
  

   Entropy/Time vs Aether/gravity
  

OR

   Entropy/Aether vs Gravity/Time
  

6 groups, 2 in each group, each group with opposing group. name suggestions are needed.