Should all cards be created equally?

[BluePriest]

Anyone that spends a little time in the card ideas section has probably seen a lot of cards that were automatically coined OP or UP. Steam machine is one new card that is often considered UP. Heres my question though. Should we try to balance out each and every card so that no 1 card is better than the other.

I personally think this is a bad idea. In every card game there are cards that some people want more because of it being more powerful. In Yu-Gi-Oh, there are the God cards, Exodia (get all 5 pieces in your hand and you automagically win), and others as well. These cards are very powerful, but they are also extremely hard to pull off. Now, i dont think there should be any THAT powerful, as the examples I gave truely are ridiculously OP, however, what would be the harm in having some cards that are more powerful? And why is it that just because a card isnt as powerful as the rest, it needs to be buffed?

[icybraker]

I didn't know whether to vote "Yes" or "No" because I'm sort of in the middle.

I think that all cards of the same function should be sort of in the same ballpark. This is because it is literally impossible to make every card equal to every other one without making this game mind-numbingly dull. However, I do believe that certain cards that are significantly more powerful than others should be made worse and cards that are significantly worst than others should be made better.

Of course, this is what is currently happening right now. With each new patch, we often see minor balance adjustments, and that's what we need. So, long story short - no, to keep the game interesting, but we don't want any outliers.

[BluePriest]

I didn't know whether to vote "Yes" or "No" because I'm sort of in the middle.

I think that all cards of the same function should be sort of in the same ballpark. This is because it is literally impossible to make every card equal to every other one without making this game mind-numbingly dull. However, I do believe that certain cards that are significantly more powerful than others should be made worse and cards that are significantly worst than others should be made better.

Of course, this is what is currently happening right now. With each new patch, we often see minor balance adjustments, and that's what we need. So, long story short - no, to keep the game interesting, but we don't want any outliers.

Agreed, A certain card shouldnt be "HA!  I PLAYED THIS CARD, SO I WIN!!!! L33T"
But it seems like every time a cards even remotely more powerful than another, people act as if it needs nerfed.

[Demagog]

The answer is already no... for instance, plate armor/heavy armor. Heavy armor is twice as effective and only costs 1 earth.

[smuglapse]

I stole this from the forums at Sirlin.net:

0) God tier (no one should be in this tier, if they are, you are forced to play them to be competitive)
1) Top tier (don't be afraid to put your favorite characters here. Being top tier does not necessarily mean any nerfs are needed)
2) Middle tier (pretty good, not quite as good as top)
3) Bottom tier (I can still win with them, but it's hard)
4) Garbage tier (no one should be in this. Not reasonable to play this character at all.)

This is a good guideline for judging and balancing cards.  Within the realm of playable cards you have top, middle and bottom tier.  So, cards can be more or less powerful relative to each other.  If any cards are considered God or Garbage they should be appropriately nerfed/buffed to fall in one of the middle tiers or removed altogether.

The answer is already no... for instance, plate armor/heavy armor. Heavy armor is twice as effective and only costs 1 earth.

Um... upgraded and unupgraded cards are two entirely separate classes of cards and shouldn't be compared against each other.

[Kael Hate]

Yu-Gi-Oh

Please don't ever use one the most unbalanced games as an example of game quality.

[ddevans96]

Yu-Gi-Oh

Please don't ever use one the most unbalanced games as an example of game quality.

I'm laughing.

But, and not to be a nerd, higher level monsters (creatures) require more tributes (quantums), so that does kinda balance it, just nowhere near how Elements is.

[xdude]

Yu-Gi-Oh has OP cards because they're rare. Although, that still kinda sucks. IMO, there should be no glaring differences between card that do about the same thing (Bonds vs SoG's, etc)

[Decktrya]

Yu gi oh hates his own cards reall evry weak this card is now forbidden now this i mean they make cards to make them forbidden and useless so already themselfs think its op D

[Malduk]

Anyone that spends a little time in the card ideas section has probably seen a lot of cards that were automatically coined OP or UP. Steam machine is one new card that is often considered UP. Heres my question though. Should we try to balance out each and every card so that no 1 card is better than the other.

I personally think this is a bad idea. In every card game there are cards that some people want more because of it being more powerful. In Yu-Gi-Oh, there are the God cards, Exodia (get all 5 pieces in your hand and you automagically win), and others as well. These cards are very powerful, but they are also extremely hard to pull off. Now, i dont think there should be any THAT powerful, as the examples I gave truely are ridiculously OP, however, what would be the harm in having some cards that are more powerful? And why is it that just because a card isnt as powerful as the rest, it needs to be buffed?

That thing in yellow IS obviously attempt at balance. Balance does not come only from cost.

Example of cards that are obviously NOT balanced: Fog Shield vs Dusk Mantle, HP of a flying Titan etc.

Some cards ARE more powerful than others, but are balanced by their mechanic and/or cost. Like Bone Dragon vs Skeleton, Miracle vs Heal etc.

And yes, every card SHOULD be balanced because balance brings more viable decks, and in the end, more overall fun as you hopefully wont be seeing the same type of decks all the time. Balance does not mean that all cards are the same, like your post suggests.

[Xoned]

Cards don't need to be perfectly balanced. Ofc some cards will be better than others; without that why should we even have different elements?
Every single card in the game is strong in its own way and weak in another.

[BluePriest]

I know, YuGiOh is a bad example, which is why I also mentioned that no card should be as OP as the ones there, it was just an example. I dont play enough magic to give examples from that.

And yeah, upgraded vs unupped should not be compared. Its like saying a lvl1 character isnt as good as a level 5 character. Of course its not.