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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg152600#msg152600
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2010, 12:35:58 pm »
I really like to think that if a work is gonna need too much effort, it shouldn't be a reason for quitting or not doing it at all - it should be a reason to step up and just make things happen regardless!
This. The developers aren't doing much these days, to me. unless zanz has a second game I don't know about... Or unless they are very highly selective.

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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg152779#msg152779
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2010, 08:47:22 pm »
I really like to think that if a work is gonna need too much effort, it shouldn't be a reason for quitting or not doing it at all - it should be a reason to step up and just make things happen regardless!
This. The developers aren't doing much these days, to me. unless zanz has a second game I don't know about... Or unless they are very highly selective.
You didn't donate enough so the developer has to take another job.

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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg152802#msg152802
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2010, 09:53:27 pm »
Of course, we already have alternate art cards available through donation...
I didn't know this. Have you got examples?


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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg152816#msg152816
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2010, 10:33:14 pm »
Of course, we already have alternate art cards available through donation...
I didn't know this. Have you got examples?
Chimera.

The developers aren't doing much these days, to me. unless zanz has a second game I don't know about... Or unless they are very highly selective.
You ungrateful b4st4rd. Be glad that Zanz is even investing any of his personal time to make this game for us, for FREE.
To be or not to be, I can do both at once. Go learn quantum mechanics, n00b.

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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg152824#msg152824
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2010, 10:51:45 pm »
The developers aren't doing much these days, to me. unless zanz has a second game I don't know about... Or unless they are very highly selective.
You ungrateful b4st4rd. Be glad that Zanz is even investing any of his personal time to make this game for us, for FREE.
I thought the devs were being paid for the work! With our donation money!  :o

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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg152864#msg152864
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2010, 11:31:42 pm »
The developers aren't doing much these days, to me. unless zanz has a second game I don't know about... Or unless they are very highly selective.
You ungrateful b4st4rd. Be glad that Zanz is even investing any of his personal time to make this game for us, for FREE.
I thought the devs were being paid for the work! With our donation money!  :o
Yah that's just that DONATION MONEY. Not a montly fee you have to pay to play the game.

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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg152902#msg152902
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2010, 12:52:56 am »
I thought the devs were being paid for the work! With our donation money!  :o
Dude. This is a FREE game. You don't have to donate if you don't want to. The only revenue Zanz gets are the ads on his website, plus the money we donate. And there is only ONE developer, Zanzarino. This isn't your regular MMORPG.
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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg153171#msg153171
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2010, 10:31:27 am »
I thought the devs were being paid for the work! With our donation money!  :o
Dude. This is a FREE game. You don't have to donate if you don't want to. The only revenue Zanz gets are the ads on his website, plus the money we donate. And there is only ONE developer, Zanzarino. This isn't your regular MMORPG.
...? Only zanz? I thought you and scaredgirl and all those other people with colored names were devs. Wow, that's like... yea.

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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg153176#msg153176
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2010, 11:03:23 am »
What I've thought about is not a uber-upgrade that could be done after the first upgrade but an alternative upgrade.

Not necessarily more expensive than the one we know, but an alternative one. If we call the actual upgrade A, wa can call the new one B.

If you really think that grinding is harmful for this game, let's assume that B is cheaper, maybe 750g.

if you express the difference between an acutal unupped card and an upped one, like the horned frog, the actual upgrade A do this :

upgrade cost : 1k5
quanta cost : no change.
Strenght : +2.
Stamina : no change.

Imagine that upgrade B is some thing like this :

(1)
upgrade cost : 750
quanta cost : no change.
Strenght : no change.
Stamina : +1

or it could be this :

(2)
upgrade cost : 750
quanta cost : +2
Strenght : +2
Stamina : +1

or ... whatever, the ideas are not the problem ^^

You can first do upgrade A or B, and then complete with the other to have a totally upgraded card :

Horned Frog : 2 :life 3/3
Horned Frog B : 4 :life 5/4
Horned Frog A (giant frog) : 2 :life 5/3
Horned Frog A+B : 4 :life 7/4

(just an example with the second example of upgrade B)

So with only one more upgrade, a single card could have 4 different states.
The reduced cost should allowed new players to improve their deck faster and don't disgust them from the game.

I see two thing by the way :
-> more and more card names to find (not really difficult but annoying)
-> it coul be hard to implement for Zanz, i don't know.

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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg153270#msg153270
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2010, 03:13:44 pm »
I'd just like to point out that a second upgrade might not necessarily mean more grinding, if properly implemented it could even reduce the amount of grinding needed to play the game. For example if the tier-2 cards allowed for a speed-anti-FG-deck to be viable, money, including the money you need for the secondary upgrades could be farmed way faster than right now.
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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg153293#msg153293
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2010, 03:39:36 pm »
I thought the devs were being paid for the work! With our donation money!  :o
Dude. This is a FREE game. You don't have to donate if you don't want to. The only revenue Zanz gets are the ads on his website, plus the money we donate. And there is only ONE developer, Zanzarino. This isn't your regular MMORPG.
...? Only zanz? I thought you and scaredgirl and all those other people with colored names were devs. Wow, that's like... yea.

....no, those are staff members.
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Re: Second Upgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12167.msg153316#msg153316
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2010, 04:08:53 pm »
I thought the devs were being paid for the work! With our donation money!  :o
Dude. This is a FREE game. You don't have to donate if you don't want to. The only revenue Zanz gets are the ads on his website, plus the money we donate. And there is only ONE developer, Zanzarino. This isn't your regular MMORPG.
...? Only zanz? I thought you and scaredgirl and all those other people with colored names were devs. Wow, that's like... yea.

....no, those are staff members.
Unpaid staff members.

 

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