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Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg94648#msg94648
« on: June 17, 2010, 10:56:38 pm »
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I am really interested how Elements community rate this card and its uses.
Every card can be used to form a deck. However, some decks are strong and competitive, while some decks are just for fun.

Before clicking on the poll, I'd like to ask, if possible, to think for a second where would you place it.

So, brief description of categories, if it will help:

1) Insanely great is a card that should probably get a nerf. Its a better pick than any other card out there, for specific type of deck (rush, control, deckout, whatever).

2) One of the most powerful cards in elements - this is category of cards that best decks are built around. You see them often, and no one doubts their usefulness.

3) Average elements card - this is a card that has its uses, has its place in certain decks, but there's nothing truly remarkable about that card. It is useful, but you can swap it with something else, and still have your deck.

4) Purify category - card that is so situational that is not really worth packing in your deck. You are probably better with something else in your deck against large percentage of your opponents.

5) Very weak, its hard to justify its place in a deck. Title says it all. Purify is a good pick if you know your opponent is heavily oriented on poison. This category describes cards that are hard to pick even if you know your opponents hand.


Feel free to leave a comment about your choice.

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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg94650#msg94650
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2010, 11:00:35 pm »
its ok in a broad sense, but its just plain horrible in any deck that doesnt really need it. other cards that people perceive as bad, are much better than this card, such as fog shield. i dont like that you have to sacrafice a pillar to be able to use it. i just think its a waste of space. sorry water, but you got the worst out of the alchemy set
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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg94651#msg94651
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 11:01:29 pm »
Tears?  Average at best I think.  Its redundant with the Water Nymph, and the nymphs are often costly and weak.  I truly think its a card made to allow people to use the nymphs while allowing them to keep their rarity.

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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg94664#msg94664
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 11:13:15 pm »
Yeah the only real purpose of them imo is to make a nymph deck with very little cost, but its hard to run and inefficient so not that great. It is fun to mess around with though every once in a while since you can beat certain upgraded decks while having played almost no games yourself (you can make the deck without even fighting anything).

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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg94666#msg94666
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 11:16:29 pm »
Agreed with all of the above. Essentially, it's a Nymph - but it costs 1 extra card and :water quanta to set up. It is trumped by any other Nymph and trounced by Nymph Queen.

I guess it could be used as pillar control... for idiots. :P But besides that, as unit stated, it's only really useful in a specialized deck, and even then, those decks aren't top-tier. They require a bit of luck and lots of quanta to work smoothly.

So, all in all... interesting and gives players a glimpse of rare cards, but not very practical.

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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg94670#msg94670
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 11:19:00 pm »
i dont like that you have to sacrafice a pillar to be able to use it. i just think its a waste of space.
This is what I consider the biggest drawback of the card. Card takes one slot in the deck, costs a whooping 8|7 :water quanta (which means either being extremely slow or taking :water pillars), AND on top of it, it takes away your pillar. To get a creature that requires loads of quanta to use.

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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg94770#msg94770
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 01:33:13 am »
This card will go out of business once Nymphs become more common. As in when people have more nymphs, this will be used fewer and fewer times. It is only a matter of time. Wait a second, I just realised, nymphs aren't even that good.

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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg94772#msg94772
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 01:35:04 am »
are you kidding? i made an insanely good nymph deck. only problem is that you need 3 grav nymphs, 3 entropy nymphs and 3 aether nymphs to use it :)). or you could just go with 4 of each
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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg98596#msg98596
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2010, 04:42:18 pm »
I personally enjoy this card, its random factor, if you include it in a rainbow deck, is interesting if you put other cards that compliment the variety of Nymphs you can get.

For example, knowing that you could get a(n):
  • Black Nymph, put in an Antimatter.
  • Auburn Nymph, put in a Gravity Pull.
  • Grey Nymph, put in an Emerald Shield.
And more examples can be thought of, but there are ways to work with the random paths this card can take you on. :)

Malduk, I'm not sure if the choices are in some arbitrary ranked order but if so, I would like to suggest that you bridge the gap between choices 2 and 3, as there are good cards if used in particular combos that don't necessarily work out perfectly always but that can sometimes seal the fate of a match.

Perhaps:

3) Strong Card - A strong card that is good to have in certain decks because of its combos but is not necessarily desired in every rainbow deck, as an example.

4) Average elements card - this is a card that has its uses, has its place in certain decks, but there's nothing truly remarkable about that card. It is useful, but you can swap it with something else, and still have your deck.

And 5) as it is now, should be before 4) if anything.
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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg99205#msg99205
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2010, 12:59:02 pm »
Malduk, I'm not sure if the choices are in some arbitrary ranked order but if so, I would like to suggest that you bridge the gap between choices 2 and 3, as there are good cards if used in particular combos that don't necessarily work out perfectly always but that can sometimes seal the fate of a match.

Perhaps:

3) Strong Card - A strong card that is good to have in certain decks because of its combos but is not necessarily desired in every rainbow deck, as an example.

4) Average elements card - this is a card that has its uses, has its place in certain decks, but there's nothing truly remarkable about that card. It is useful, but you can swap it with something else, and still have your deck.

And 5) as it is now, should be before 4) if anything.
You misunderstood categories then. Your "strong" card is my "average card". Average card is the card that has its uses, but is not necessarily desired in every rainbow deck - or what you'd say "balanced" card. People have issues calling something average when its actually good. But if we're talking about the game that should be balanced, being average is a great thing :)

5) is clearly worse than 4). You'll pack 4) if you knew what your opponent is bringing, you wont pack 5).


I personally enjoy this card, its random factor, if you include it in a rainbow deck, is interesting if you put other cards that compliment the variety of Nymphs you can get.

For example, knowing that you could get a(n):
  • Black Nymph, put in an Antimatter.
  • Auburn Nymph, put in a Gravity Pull.
  • Grey Nymph, put in an Emerald Shield.
And more examples can be thought of, but there are ways to work with the random paths this card can take you on. :)
For competitive purposes, random is bad, and every game is balanced around competitive side. "Fun" should not be a factor in balancing and determining if the card is strong or weak. Fun card is just that - fun card.

I find it very odd that so many people voted "average" here. Show me a deck with this "average" card, and I'll show you a BETTER deck without it.

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Re: Rate a Card: Nymph's Tear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8300.msg99215#msg99215
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2010, 01:23:35 pm »
I'd say it's just below average. It's a fun card and a nymph deck can be evil if they get a god draw but it just isn't practical.
The fact that you lose a pillar makes the card much weaker.

If this card was other then it'd be a different story...

 

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