Quantum Pillars are underpowered!

[Kael Hate]

Relic upped has 3, i win!!!!!

Hope has 0?!?!?! I think the chats are old

And purify has 200, I have yet to seen it played...

The values are drawing of the card, not playing the card.
Yes those statistics are very old before hope was even release to the trainer.

I find it funny that malignant cell has been drawn from the top the deck via rewind more times than Minor Abomination has been through normal play.

[Rastafla]

Somehow ive missed this post. Karma for you. You've typed it out the way I see it.
Novas/supernovas are the only reason rainbows are good.
Quantum towers are currently just as useful for a speedrainbow as entropy towers, you have them to get that first nova off earlier and entropy towers does this even better.

If Q.towers were nerfed I would pick entropy towers as they power the supernova.

[Tea is good]

Um, I use my quantum towers lots in my speed rainbow. Lots of my cards cost five (lava golem, feral bond, fallen druid) so two supernovas aren't enough. Plus I need quanta for repeatable skills.

I do remember a thread about Zanzarino actually nerfing the quantum pillars/towers because everyone used them for a rainbow deck. Please don't do so, Zanzarino.

Lastly, what kind of buff do you want? If you want the Quantum pillars to be able to keep up with Mono pillars, that would be OP, choosing the quanta you wanted from each pillar would be OP as well. Do you want them to turn into a stack of three of a random elemental pillar?

[Malduk]

Lastly, what kind of buff do you want? If you want the Quantum pillars to be able to keep up with Mono pillars, that would be OP, choosing the quanta you wanted from each pillar would be OP as well. Do you want them to turn into a stack of three of a random elemental pillar?

Of course I dont think Quantum pillars are in need of a buff. I just wanted to point out how people are misinterpreting those stats to find an easy scapegoat to blame for spread of rainbow decks.

[Kael Hate]

I've read this article a couple of times and can't really fault what is said, but I wonder why it is here.

Personally I think Quantum Pillar is Overused, not necessarily over or under powered.
Zanz made query about its overuse and as part of his balancing was looking at weakening it to fix the overuse. This worked with Steal and some of the other cards but  I think it would fail here. Removing its unlimited status and adding a range of other multitype quanta generators would divide its count in the statistics probably evenly among Quantum pillar and the the generators of the same strength.

As for Nova/Supernova/Cremation power levels, it depends on the environment. Supernova is powerful right now because it is one of the only two ways to cleanly balance quanta in a rainbow deck against the false gods. The other method is by simply generating so much random quanta that you you'll have to get the minimum you need. Monotypes and duotypes can't cut it because you don't know which god you'll have to face. Choosing your opponent type or bringing in cards to break up the dependence on the popular quanta fixers is the only way to fix the environment for Supernova.

Nova and Cremation are acceleration. They give you an overdose of quanta and try to fix that by spreading it out across all the elements. The problem is that spreading out the quanta is not a bad thing and can allow you to capitalise on the strength and use the weakness as a strength. Anti-accelerators are the key to fixing the environment here because they force you to setup infastructure rather than take the quick play. If 10% of the AI had acceleration counters these cards would lose their edge and also fix the overprevalence of rush types like shrieker and adrena-life.

[Malduk]

Personally I think Quantum Pillar is Overused, not necessarily over or under powered.
Zanz made query about its overuse and as part of his balancing was looking at weakening it to fix the overuse. This worked with Steal and some of the other cards but  I think it would fail here. Removing its unlimited status and adding a range of other multitype quanta generators would divide its count in the statistics probably evenly among Quantum pillar and the the generators of the same strength.

It is very hard to define when pillars are overused. Rainbow is a term for a type of deck, which holds HUGE amount of DIFFERENT decks.
If you can make 5 viable decks with pillar X, and 1 viable deck with pillar Y, first thing you can conclude is that is not a pillar problem, but problem of cards that relate to that pillars. Second thing you can conclude is that it is perfectly normal for pillar X to be 5 times more used than pillar Y.

And if we decide that rainbows are overused (thus increasing the usage of its pillars, and all cards that such decks usually use), than we should seek the problem in other types of decks, not rainbow. And problems do exist with other types of decks - lack of cards to make a rounded deck.

Adding new/different quanta generators *may* lower the usage of pillars, but that wont solve any real problem. Rainbows will still be used, the only thing is that instead of pillars, you will have a cards named hdkfiowp and sudbgkrh.

[Kael Hate]

It is very hard to define when pillars are overused.

Without Zanz Card Usage statistics and Zanz saying as such I doubt it would have come up.

But there has been plenty of discusssion back before the Card Usage Statistics arguing for and Against Monotype Eligibilty vs Rainbow vs False Gods and as the key component to the rainbow deck it's going to get critisism for power level.