Fastest AI3 wins

[Ateendra]

Hi. I am currently using this deck to grind AI3
11 Emerald Pillars
4 Heal
1 Thorn Carapace
1 Emerald Shield
1 Druidic Staff
2 Empathic Bond
4 Adrenaline
6 Forest Scorpion

I have found that this is my fastest deck. The wins are really fast with EM 86% of the time. I am also posting the times. I played for 45 minutes, getting 20 wins and 6 losses. The times for the losses aren't posted here. Only win times are posted.
(all in seconds)

108
133
128
98
144
91
128
61
80
72
105
153
121
105
85
134
132
93
87
72

Average = 106.5
 
Is your deck faster in AI3 grinding than this?

[yee]

Have you tryed any rush decks?
And there is turn to win study for fastest decks

[ffun]

Yes, try checking the TTW study thread:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21865.0.html

You'll find some considerably faster decks. For example, USEM's reported sec/game is close to 62.

[Raptor6789]

your time to win is considerably slower than some of the better decks out there, but you seem to be sacrificing that for EM. this deck is unupped right?

[Ateendra]

Ah, yes, I didn't take the stats correctly. The AI speed was low and quality was high. I'll record and report them correctly the next time. Thanks.

And yes, this deck is completely unupped. It may not be the fastest but it gets EM almost all the time you win( or atleast almost all the time I won )

I have tried rush decks but they don't get me any EMs. 

[ColorlessGreen]

Slightly off-topic, but only slightly I think, but has anyone looked in to how much speed is worth sacrificing for how many EMs in terms of maximum money gain over time?

[Raptor6789]

@colorlessgreen
yes, im pretty sure there is a huge discussion on that... somewhere...

[ColorlessGreen]

Any chance you'd like to elucidate me as to exactly where? I've been looking for literally months and haven't been able to find it.

[Sevs]

Any chance you'd like to elucidate me as to exactly where? I've been looking for literally months and haven't been able to find it.

If you think about it, if you EM, you receive twice the maximum score, you could have achieved otherwise, so if you EM 70 % of the time, 70% of the games you play are worth twice as much as games won with an all out rush deck. so Average game length((1-EM percentage*Normal Score+EM percentage*2*Normal Score) = theoretical game length if you were using a rush deck.
 
I hope i did that right

[willng3]

Any chance you'd like to elucidate me as to exactly where? I've been looking for literally months and haven't been able to find it.

There isn't one.  There have been several threads which involve either theorizing the highest gain possible for a deck or testing some of the best known grinders in the game for others to compare.  Nothing completely conclusive has been found on either of those, unfortunately.

[ColorlessGreen]

Any chance you'd like to elucidate me as to exactly where? I've been looking for literally months and haven't been able to find it.

If you think about it, if you EM, you receive twice the maximum score, you could have achieved otherwise, so if you EM 70 % of the time, 70% of the games you play are worth twice as much as games won with an all out rush deck. so Average game length((1-EM percentage*Normal Score+EM percentage*2*Normal Score) = theoretical game length if you were using a rush deck.
 
I hope i did that right

First of all, I'm looking for moneys rather than scores - I've seen the score discussions already.

Secondly, with regards to moneys, I'd personally also take into account bonus fundage from spins and from selling cards, and I believe the prevailing wisdom is that rush>EM for moneys in general just due to the extra spins, but I'm just curious if that's purely speculation or if actual research has been done.

If research hasn't been done, my plan would be to look at all the AI3 decks (assuming I'm researching for AI3) combined with the spin formula (since I think I saw something somewhere where someone actually explained the spin formula) to figure out the percent chance of any given card in the AI3 deck being won from a win, as well as the chance for a match-two on any given spin against any given deck. Then put it all together to get the total value added from the slots on a random AI3 match, multiplied by the win rate for the deck (just to keep it simple rather than trying to bookkeep wins against each individual AI3). THEN add in ~15 or w/e for a non-EM win or 40 for an EM win, divide by time, there you go.

Alternatively, you could just write down the electrum change when doing 200-game TTW studies, which would be another way to get there.

[bcassol]

If score is what you want then its pretty simple:
You just need to calculate the score/minute ratio of the deck using 200+ games and you'll soon know that:
USEM and its derivates are STILL the best decks for grinding AI3 with reported score/minute ranging from 25 to 32.

Math is simple, keep it so.