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[treebeard xiii]

Because it was one of the most OP card in the games because of the SoPa+Cell+Bond combo.

I can agree on SoPa being overpowered, the Cell on the other hand really isn't all that OP.

I'm with plini here since when was one combo a sufficient reason to heavily nerf a card and changing mitosis on one card is bad mitosis is the effect of summoning another copy of the cards at its original cost. This nerf hasn't made it weaker it's made the card useless whose going to use a 1/1 creature that costs 3 quanta to play and an additional 2 quanta for it's ability.

[Fippe94]

I don't get what you mean with "changing mitosis on one card is bad mitosis is an effect of summoning the same creature from your hand". Mitosis works the same as it always has, I am not sure what your problem is here.

SoPa was already nerfed from Elements, and I am not sure if there are other SoPa combos that are as OP right now. It is true that the card might be overnerfed, but I have also heard that this nerf was not enough, so i don't really know. I think more waiting/testing is required.
And also, when you disagree with a decision, it would help a lot if you gave a concrete answer to what you believe should be done instead.

[mega plini]

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[treebeard xiii]

I don't get what you mean with "changing mitosis on one card is bad mitosis is an effect of summoning the same creature from your hand". Mitosis works the same as it always has, I am not sure what your problem is here.

SoPa was already nerfed from Elements, and I am not sure if there are other SoPa combos that are as OP right now. It is true that the card might be overnerfed, but I have also heard that this nerf was not enough, so i don't really know. I think more waiting/testing is required.
And also, when you disagree with a decision, it would help a lot if you gave a concrete answer to what you believe should be done instead.

If you want my opinion either sopa should be nerfed as i'm guessing take sopa out of the combo and it is nowhere near as strong or leave it as is. Write it off as another of those strong combos and leave it at that personally cell did not need that heavy a nerf in my opinion cell is no different from playing any other 0 cost creature and adding mitosis on top yes the cells produced also have mitosis but an accurate way to work out how much nerf is needed if any is to compare it to similar combos, instead of saying when combined with these two cards it is very powerful therefore this card needs a heavy nerf.

As for my mitosis statement by that i meant the activation of mitosis should cost the same as summonin the creature from hand therefore a 3 cost card with mitosis should therefore cost 3 to activate the mitosis effect not the 2 it currently costs.

[Fippe94]

But it is much faster and stronger than similar combos.

And as for mitosis, before the nerf unupped cell costed 2 and had 1 quanta mitosis, so it has always been this way. You don't really want me to nerf cell even more, now do you?

And how would you nerf SoPa then?

[andretimpa]

A more appropriate combo to make this comparison is Malignant Cell + SoPa. While it has the same ramp damage in a cheaper way it does not have the stall part of the combo Fippe is pointing and adding the stall (empathic bonds) would mean a trio. So in my opinion the main problem is that cell is in element with empathic bond. It's the fact that you can pull that off with a duo that makes it so fast. The problem is that I don't see a better element than life to put them (thematically) and changing the element of the ability also sounds weird to me.

[Chapuz]

A more appropriate combo to make this comparison is Malignant Cell + SoPa. While it has the same ramp damage in a cheaper way it does not have the stall part of the combo Fippe is pointing and adding the stall (empathic bonds) would mean a trio. So in my opinion the main problem is that cell is in element with empathic bond. It's the fact that you can pull that off with a duo that makes it so fast. The problem is that I don't see a better element than life to put them (thematically) and changing the element of the ability also sounds weird to me.

You are right. Until now, I have grinded Champions (with 2x deck and draw) with 100% unupped cell+SoP+bond combo. I will have to change it now, or see how it is upgraded. If it works fine upgraded then it's good.

[Fippe94]

The best way may actually to change element. It would weaken the SoPa Bond combo, but still keep the actual card viable. I'd rather not do this, since it fits so well in Life, but further testing must be done first anyway.

[Submachine]

The best way may actually to change element. It would weaken the SoPa Bond combo, but still keep the actual card viable. I'd rather not do this, since it fits so well in Life, but further testing must be done first anyway.

If we ever decide to move SoPa to another element which doesn't sound to suit the element, but would be balanced, the problem can be solved by changing the shard's name.

[jarozaoz]

Changing the topic for a second, simply improved a Guardian Angel art, to make it more like

[Fippe94]

The best way may actually to change element. It would weaken the SoPa Bond combo, but still keep the actual card viable. I'd rather not do this, since it fits so well in Life, but further testing must be done first anyway.

If we ever decide to move SoPa to another element which doesn't sound to suit the element, but would be balanced, the problem can be solved by changing the shard's name.

No, you misunderstand, I was talking about moving Cell to another element, not SoPa. Moving SoPa to another element wouldn't change the Cell/Mitosis/Bond combo, it would still be a duo. Moving Cell to another element however would weaken it a lot, since it would become a trio, and then similar to the SoPa/Malignant Cell/Bond combo, which is a lot less OP.

[Chapuz]

The nerf was well made. I confirm it because the win rate of my deck (unupped) went low enough to change my strategy.