openEtG

[Kamietsu]

So Cygnia and oEtG are two separate remakes of elements? That's pretty neat. Thanks for the info.

[serprex]

Just because I'm silent doesn't mean I'm inactive

[Kamietsu]

Just because I'm silent doesn't mean I'm inactive

Didn't mean it like that. I haven't been to this forum in a long time. Instead of reading 98 pages and just checking the game for myself I figured a quick update here would be good.

[Fippe94]

This topic is pretty dead, for a bit more updates on past and coming updates, check this page: http://etg.dek.im/forum/index.php?board=8.0

[serprex]

Based on observations of struggles Cygnia has & the fact that I've recently been making wide refactoring of oetg's structure, (etg.js has been split from 1300 lines of game engine logic to 50 lines of constants & adrenaline logic) I've been considering writing up a bit of documentation. I intend to port some of these changes to oetg-v, so it'd be relevant for those interested in contributing to Cygnia

Question is: who's interested in programming? What kind of documentation would encourage you to contribute to Cygnia? No point sitting down to write notes down a drain

[iancudorinmarian]

If you mean documentation on the whole project, I'd like to read that.

[serprex]

I have made a Kongregate release. openEtG isn't as grindy as original so I'm not inclined to implement binding accounts; on kong you'll be automatically logged into Kong:username (or sandbox if not logged in)

andretimpa's having issues loading it; if anyone else has issues do tell. Fippe was having some connection chunking issues

Have made Kong version private for time being, at Fippe's & others' request

[inthisroom]

So now you're going to start making money of that completely innocent fanfict? So I was wrong all along, you're not just doing this for your own benefit?

[serprex]

The intention is to forward all proceits to antiaverage for hosting

[UTAlan]

Sent this in an email to Zanz, will update if/when he responds.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Dear Zanzarino,

    A group of Elements the Game fans have created their own web-based game currently nicknamed oEtG. It is a card game with inspiration from Elements the Game. While great care has been taken to source original art, design original cards, and provide a unique experience, it is still clear that Elements the Game was a basis for the creation of oEtG. To that end, we think it is important to let you know about the work and our intentions to share it with players on Kongregate.

    As long-standing and loyal fans of Elements the Game, we think it is important to do right by you and seek your blessing in moving forward on this project. Our plan is to use Kongregate as a platform to share our work and receive funding to put towards hosting costs for the Elements the Game forums. Please take a look at oEtG http://etg.dek.im and let us know if our plan is agreeable to you. We also share the code at https://github.com/serprex/openEtG and intend to keep the source open.

    We are forever thankful for your hard work on Elements the Game and owe you a great debt for your strong inspiration. Thank you for your consideration as we work on our own project. We are all die-hard Elements the Game players and hope we can collaborate going forward.
   

Warm Regards,

The Elements Community

[ddevans96]

I don't feel like that email accurately represents the situation at all. Reasoning will be provided when I'm cooled off, I intend to be constructive despite my strong feelings.

First of all, Calindu summarized it well in chat: [2016-01-06 16:37:44] ‹Calindu› I feel like that e-mail is trying to speak from everyone's point of view, while it's not the same for everyone

    A group of Elements the Game fans have created their own web-based game currently nicknamed oEtG. It is a card game with inspiration from Elements the Game. While great care has been taken to source original art, design original cards, and provide a unique experience, it is still clear that Elements the Game was a basis for the creation of oEtG.

All that's stated here is facts, I'm only including it for the sake of completeness, so I'll move on otherwise.

To that end, we think it is important to let you know about the work and our intentions to share it with players on Kongregate.
    As long-standing and loyal fans of Elements the Game, we think it is important to do right by you and seek your blessing in moving forward on this project. Our plan is to use Kongregate as a platform to share our work and receive funding to put towards hosting costs for the Elements the Game forums. Please take a look at oEtG http://etg.dek.im and let us know if our plan is agreeable to you. We also share the code at https://github.com/serprex/openEtG and intend to keep the source open.

Starting here, as the bulk of notable content is here. The use of we suggests a group. As the letter is signed from the Elements Community as a whole, that is the group in question, but the opinions here are not those of the community as a whole, as there was no community input involved. In fact, as this letter was written by oETG developers in conjunction with admins, it's at the very least misleading to Zanz, if not slightly biased.

I completely agree that Zanz's approval is important. However, this approval should have been obtained before these actions were taken. According to antiaverage, Zanz had acknowledged the game and implied it's existence was okay, but that existence was in the form it was at the time. The game being ported to Kongregate, where it can be monetized and can possibly split the playerbase, is a different story, and there's no guarantee that Zanz would give the same answer. This plan should have been presented to Zanz and not gone into effect without his permission.

Furthermore, the community's expectation was also that oETG was not to expand beyond its current boundaries, as the developers made statements on their self-imposed restrictions on the matter multiple times. oETG has been in a gray area, with no permission but also no rejection, so these restrictions were necessary, but now the developers have crossed outside of the boundaries that were understood between them and the community.

Money is also an issue, as there is no guarantee that money gained from Kong will go to Zanz, or to these forums. While I personally wouldn't expect malice, this in particular would have warranted explicit permission by itself, with completely transparency afterwards.

    We are forever thankful for your hard work on Elements the Game and owe you a great debt for your strong inspiration. Thank you for your consideration as we work on our own project. We are all die-hard Elements the Game players and hope we can collaborate going forward.

Warm Regards,

The Elements Community

This is mostly a standard closing statement, but Zanz should have been given much more than consideration. Again, this plan to host oETG on Kongregate should have been presented to him first, and only moved forward with his permission. Additionally, as stated above, signing it from the Community when it is not is both misleading to Zanz and disrespectful to the Community at large. This letter, written as it is, should have been signed as by the writers alone.

[bripod]

This letter in NO WAY represents the community and IMO is worse than the first letter sent... I personally would like to see it retracted as it does NOT convey the opinions of those who feel strongly against oEtG.