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not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg432368#msg432368
« on: November 29, 2011, 05:35:28 pm »
i was goin through the rainbow decks published in the forums and i noticed that there are very few(hardly any) good rainbow decks without upgrades!!

99% of the decks published are fully / partially upgraded!!

can some1 suggest a few good rainbow decks which dont require any upgrades at all?

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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg432380#msg432380
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 06:42:08 pm »
Actually the good rainbow deck nupped I use are only for BL so I don't want to share it sorry. Anyway I don't think I'm a genius so with a little creativity you can make them by yourself. You just have to dare :p
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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg432385#msg432385
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 07:02:49 pm »
The main reason why you won't see many is because quanta unupped is really annoying.

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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg432416#msg432416
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 08:54:46 pm »
Don't assume that there are few good unupped rainbow decks just because few are posted. Good decks for PvP shouldn't be posted because players can just copy/paste them. Besides, going through the deck subforums don't really show the metagame at all, since most of the decks posted here aren't even viable.
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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg432562#msg432562
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2011, 01:15:50 am »
Probably the reason more upped rainbows are used is because the effectiveness of nova almost doubles when it gets upgraded. Way more quanta to play around with.

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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg432754#msg432754
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2011, 09:05:16 am »
You can try RootRanger's It's a Trap deck :P Fun and win the game at the same time :D
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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg432788#msg432788
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2011, 01:45:16 pm »
Actually the good rainbow deck nupped I use are only for BL so I don't want to share it sorry. Anyway I don't think I'm a genius so with a little creativity you can make them by yourself. You just have to dare :p
well i tried to make a good rainbow deck but im failing everytime!

not getting enough wins in the BL!
tried 3 decks which i tried to make btw!


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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg433080#msg433080
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2011, 12:27:35 am »
my first unupped rainbow deck was SoR+fate eggs, it runs better(even with my new upped version) with Nupd novas, just 5-6 of ea of those cards 7-12 quantum pillars, mark of  :time , then add some controll cards. add  like 1druid,2 quints for when you get bad hatchings. um pulveriser with pro artifact for aether kill. and if need be use the 3-6 of sundial for early card draw.  then customize it with your favorite cards like i did, but wont say here what else goes into it. also its been my experience all decks run smother with 40 cards. i always get the ratio of what i need and when, but at 30 cards i get too many copys to pull off fast combo's.  i was using this Nupd deck to kill fg and silver. but if 40 cards is too much try to make 35 cards staple minumum(imo). hope this helps.
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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg433099#msg433099
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2011, 12:46:10 am »
i would start with antagon's graboid bow, and do modifications on that

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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg433105#msg433105
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2011, 12:53:34 am »
well i tried to make a good rainbow deck but im failing everytime!

not getting enough wins in the BL!
tried 3 decks which i tried to make btw!
If your can't make a good deck, make your deck better until it is good.

also its been my experience all decks run smother with 40 cards.
I think you're trying to say, "All decks get themselves completely smothered if they are run with 40 cards," which is something I agree with.
Seriously. Smaller = Better.

i would start with antagon's graboid bow, and do modifications on that
Well, most people aren't skilled enough to improve it.
While there could be beneficial changes made in my opinion, most attempts to improve the deck end up making it worse. I've seen it time after time.
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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg433117#msg433117
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2011, 01:12:53 am »

also its been my experience all decks run smother with 40 cards.
I think you're trying to say, "All decks get themselves completely smothered if they are run with 40 cards," which is something I agree with.
Seriously. Smaller = Better.

actually i meant exactly what i said, and i have tried to run this deck upd, and nupd. and at 30 cards you get stumped most of the time. atleast with this deck, my rainbow entropy deck, my gravity/earth deck. all of em, when i want to go with speed i go down to 35 cards, and even at that low i start noticing a suffering of when i get what i need.
when i run decks at 30 cards i have to wait for combo cards, pillars, pretty much everything for a great start, when i run 40 cards i get the right balance of what i want, and can possibly first turn get started, instead of waiting for 2-4 turns with 5 of half my combo in my hand, for one card of the other half.  so when i said "in my experience all decks run smoother* with 40 cards, that is what i meant. unless your just making fun of my mispelled word smother-when meant smoother*.  but since the context clues following this quote- clearly describes what i meant, i dont think you are.

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Re: not enough unupgraded rainbows!! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34283.msg433132#msg433132
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2011, 01:46:22 am »
when i run decks at 30 cards i have to wait for combo cards, pillars, pretty much everything for a great start, when i run 40 cards i get the right balance of what i want,
This is...very unfortunate.
It seems your bad RNG with 30 card decks and great RNG with 40 card decks has caused you to actually believe 40 cards are more reliable.

Well, they aren't. Statistically, 40 card decks have worse opening draws than 30 card decks. 40 card decks are more likely to get more or fewer pillars than desirable and have more trouble pulling off card combos. Decks should only be as large as 40 cards if there is a reasonable chance they will still be alive after drawing through 30 cards. There are few decks like that. It is much more common that people make their decks large because of misunderstanding.
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