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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg87688#msg87688
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2010, 05:48:14 pm »
Ah... I haven't been on trainer since pandemonium upped became enemy-only :)

Okay, I'm gonna calculate this:

-Photon
-Regular mutation (less expensive)
-3x quantum tower
-chaos seed
-2x pandemonium

First mutant: 17
chaos seed copy: 22
first generation of pandemoniums: 22 and 27
second generation: 22, 27, 27, 32
Total: 17 + 3*22 + 3*27 + 32 = 196 damage on turn 1. You are left with 2 unused quanta, + 9 from towers and 1 from mark. This give 12 quanta for round 2, enough to use deja vu 8 times and pandemonium with some left over.

Round 2:

everything uses deja vu. Copies all have +5 attack. This gives you:

1*17
3*22
3*27
1*32
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1*22
3*27
3*32
1*37
=
1*17
4*22
6*27
4*32
1*37
Then comes pandemonium. Assume that it uses reverse time on the weakest mutants leaving only the strongest 12 and 11 free spots. The strongest 12 are 1 of the 22s and everything stronger. So everything stronger than 22 will be PU'd to fill remaining slots, giving:
1*22
6*27
6*32
4*32
4*37
1*37
1*42
=
1*22 + 6*27 + 10*32 + 5*37 + 1*42 = 731 + 198 from turn 1 = 929 damage.

Anything after this gets more complicated. Instead of reverse timing the unwanted mutants, you could also assume they stay at 3 health and just firebolt them. It also gets tricky over whether to PU or dive. Either way, I can't think of much stronger than this (though it may be tweakable).

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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg87860#msg87860
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2010, 09:01:45 pm »
196 damage first turn?... fail, can't even beat a False God :P

Lol, j/k of course, but it would be nice if someone finds a way to deal at least 200 damage first turn.
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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg87898#msg87898
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2010, 09:21:17 pm »
Actually Xinef, that's wrong.

Remember, we are assuming we lose the coin flip so that we have 8 cards. On turn 1, many false gods manage to bring out some damage. Even if they only bring out two damage, two pandemoniums can PU that damage to get to 200.

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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg87929#msg87929
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2010, 09:37:03 pm »
Ok, then +karma for legitimately beating a False God first turn.

I just hope one of the mutants turns into a vampire so that it's an EM.
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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg88221#msg88221
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2010, 03:30:46 am »
wow 196 damage first turn awesome plus karma for best damage yet

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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg88336#msg88336
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2010, 07:13:53 am »
+196 karma if someone calculates the probability of it happening.

No, saying it's zero when rounded to the millionth digit is not enough :P
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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg132036#msg132036
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2010, 10:16:34 pm »
Wow, the best I've done 1st turn in a legitimate deck is 30 damage with 2 ruby dragons fueled by 3 ball lightning and 3 cremeation.

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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg132050#msg132050
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2010, 11:03:28 pm »
+196 karma if someone calculates the probability of it happening.

No, saying it's zero when rounded to the millionth digit is not enough :P
After furious button-pushing, my calculator yields 4.6429933856869713070321777265876 x 10^-32. If I screwed up...

[spoiler = Process]
Probability of drawing those cards: 1/30^8
Probability of +7 :entropy :  1/12^7
Probability of PU from Chaos Seed : 1/11
Probability of +5 attack: 1/5
Probability of double PU from Pandemonium: 1/121
Probability of quadruple PU from Pandemonium: 1/11^4
[/spoiler]

I didn't calculate the odds of getting Deja-vu as an ability.
This calculation may or may follow hypergeometric probability.
This calculation may or may not be accurate.

Please tell me that I did this thing right. If not...please go do it yourself.

*waits for karma...*

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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg132102#msg132102
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2010, 01:01:42 am »
+196 karma if someone calculates the probability of it happening.

No, saying it's zero when rounded to the millionth digit is not enough :P
After furious button-pushing, my calculator yields 4.6429933856869713070321777265876 x 10^-32. If I screwed up...

[spoiler = Process]
Probability of drawing those cards: 1/30^8
Probability of +7 :entropy :  1/12^7
Probability of PU from Chaos Seed : 1/11
Probability of +5 attack: 1/5
Probability of double PU from Pandemonium: 1/121
Probability of quadruple PU from Pandemonium: 1/11^4
[/spoiler]

I didn't calculate the odds of getting Deja-vu as an ability.
This calculation may or may follow hypergeometric probability.
This calculation may or may not be accurate.

Please tell me that I did this thing right. If not...please go do it yourself.

*waits for karma...*
its wrong does 4%even seem possible
and no aint doing the math too lazy and no karma

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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg132107#msg132107
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2010, 01:09:09 am »
+196 karma if someone calculates the probability of it happening.

No, saying it's zero when rounded to the millionth digit is not enough :P
After furious button-pushing, my calculator yields 4.6429933856869713070321777265876 x 10^-32. If I screwed up...

[spoiler = Process]
Probability of drawing those cards: 1/30^8
Probability of +7 :entropy :  1/12^7
Probability of PU from Chaos Seed : 1/11
Probability of +5 attack: 1/5
Probability of double PU from Pandemonium: 1/121
Probability of quadruple PU from Pandemonium: 1/11^4
[/spoiler]

I didn't calculate the odds of getting Deja-vu as an ability.
This calculation may or may follow hypergeometric probability.
This calculation may or may not be accurate.

Please tell me that I did this thing right. If not...please go do it yourself.

*waits for karma...*
its wrong does 4%even seem possible
and no aint doing the math too lazy and no karma
4%?

...Did you read his post?

Quote
Probability of drawing those cards: 1/30^8
Probability of +7 :entropy :  1/12^7
Probability of PU from Chaos Seed : 1/11
Probability of +5 attack: 1/5
Probability of double PU from Pandemonium: 1/121
Probability of quadruple PU from Pandemonium: 1/11^4
You need all this to work AND you need to get Deja Vu as an ability on all of the dragons.

So basically this is not going to happen.

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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg132112#msg132112
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2010, 01:16:26 am »
Approximately 464% x 10^-32. Which means you boot the decimal point to the left 32 times. Something like this:

~0.00000000000000000000000000000464%

Not counting Deja Vu.

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Re: most damage in first,second turn and third turn https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7778.msg132116#msg132116
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2010, 01:28:34 am »
+196 karma if someone calculates the probability of it happening.

No, saying it's zero when rounded to the millionth digit is not enough :P
After furious button-pushing, my calculator yields 4.6429933856869713070321777265876 x 10^-32. If I screwed up...

[spoiler = Process]
Probability of drawing those cards: 1/30^8
Probability of +7 :entropy :  1/12^7
Probability of PU from Chaos Seed : 1/11
Probability of +5 attack: 1/5
Probability of double PU from Pandemonium: 1/121
Probability of quadruple PU from Pandemonium: 1/11^4
[/spoiler]

I didn't calculate the odds of getting Deja-vu as an ability.
This calculation may or may follow hypergeometric probability.
This calculation may or may not be accurate.

Please tell me that I did this thing right. If not...please go do it yourself.

*waits for karma...*
its wrong does 4%even seem possible
and no aint doing the math too lazy and no karma
4%?

...Did you read his post?

Quote
Probability of drawing those cards: 1/30^8
Probability of +7 :entropy :  1/12^7
Probability of PU from Chaos Seed : 1/11
Probability of +5 attack: 1/5
Probability of double PU from Pandemonium: 1/121
Probability of quadruple PU from Pandemonium: 1/11^4
You need all this to work AND you need to get Deja Vu as an ability on all of the dragons.

So basically this is not going to happen.
sorry didnt notice the numbers after the 7th number
karma i guess unless u just invented the number

 

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