MasterWalks Card Tier List- Weapons

[MasterWalks]

Alright, here is my tier list for Elements Weapons. Doing a tier list for a game like Elements is difficult. Some cards, while terrible on their own, may synchronize greatly with other cards. This list is based on unupgraded weapons. Disclaimer; This Tier list is NOT for beginners nor is it made to influence any deck building choices. Purely for discussion purposes. So I will need to breakdown the ratings by a couple different aspect.
What the ratings, in order of importance will be based off;

• Weapons ability
• Weapons cost and ability cost; damage
• Deck versatility

S Tier

Discord when played early, causes the opponent to stall on their decks strategy. Its low cost, moderate damage, and quanta pool adjustment ability cause this weapon to rank high.

A Tier

Pulverizer is the counterpart to Eternity. Decent damage and PC are a good shut down. Its off element and high cost ability detract it. Its a lower ranking S Tier to higher ranking A Tier.
Vampire Stiletto is very cheap, does twice as much damage as Druidic Staff, and only heals 1 hp less.
Eternity's CC control and ability to defend stalls make this weapon very powerful. However, its high cost makes it more difficult to use in non Time-centric decks

B Tier

Lobotmizer offers the annoying ability to remove a creatues skill, successfully shutting down many decks. However, it still leaves a creature that can damage.
Druidic Staff does small damage but is cheap and heals a decent amount.
Trident can shut down the opponents quanta but its off element ability and restriction on only targeting pillars, and only 3, rank it lower than other PC weapons
Owls Eye is good damage and has the ability to perform some CC. However, other weapons that focus on CC have more effective effects
Arsenic is low damage low cost but offers a nice stacking poison ability. While low damage at first, with in 8 turns the opponent will have lost half their health.

C Tier

Farenheit has the highest potential damage of all the weapons, but it requires a large and constant pool of fire quanta.
Morning Star and Titan are plain and straight high damagers. Titans high health and ability to break shields makes it unstoppable. Morning Star's invulnerability makes it an immortal creature when played with flying weapon. They are ranked here due to no PC or CC.

D Tier

These weapons are for plain and straight damage. They can use any element and are very cheap, while not terrible, they do not belong anywhere else. They are the most versatile and have good damage to cost ratio, this could be S Tier #2 if we want to be technical.

Edit 1: Removed F Tier
Edit 2: Moved Owl's up a Tier
Edit 3: Adjusted Arsenic and Eternity
All criticism is welcome

[CactusKing]

Lobo to D tier imo, unupped is only good in pestal

[JonathanCrazyJ]

A lot wrong here.

S:
Discord, Vagger

A:
Titan, Arsenic, Druidic, Pulvy

B: Fahrenheit, Owls Eye, Poseidon, Eternity

C: Glory, Lobo

[immortal feud]

A lot wrong here.

S:
Discord, Vagger

A:
Titan, Arsenic, Druidic, Pulvy

B: Fahrenheit, Owls Eye, Poseidon, Eternity

C: Glory, Lobo

this is quite simmilar to how i would rank them, if i were to change anything id bump faren up a tier

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Yeah fahren is borderline

[kaempfer13]

upgraded vampire dagger is S tier, unupped id say discord is alone in that tier

arsenic is the most misplaced of them all, its not unusual to win with nearly all damage coming from arsenic (by turn 8 it has taken out half of the max health by itself), part of which cannot be undone with shields. Often the to go weapon in grabbows.

Lobo by itself really isnt impressive its just in how anoying it makes countering aether as a whole that makes it feel much better than it would be in any other element.

Seeing eternity that high is unusual, but it does indeed destroy entire archetypes (plural!). The reason why owls eye is more common despite its effect being about half as strong is largely because its an air card and playing it is as dmg efficient as a vanilla creature (with the drawback of occupying the weaponslot ofc). With owls eye you dont fall behind even if your opponent plays no targets at all. Eternity doesnt pair that well with sundial and procrastination and sacrifices some tempo when you play it, bringing it down a bit. That said, i have a hard time not including it in every timecentric deck, A tier is a fine place for it.

Titan and staves are hugely boosted by flying weapon, otherwise not that impressive so without that consideration your ranking for them is justified.

rest seems acceptable.

[Manuel]

making this sort of top 5/tiers makes no sense for elements, elements isn't the generic p2w game where u have

- op weapon u can only buy with real money
- balanced, free weapon u get in endgame that can replace the op one even if weaker
- up weapon u will use until u don't get the balanced one

other than ability cost and damage u need to check the element they are in (lobo is terrible yes, but like kae said he has dims, fractal etc in the same element), or things that aren't write on the card like discord can potentially screw every deck but u must to invest double of the slots for draw chance and if u don't draw in time u have an almost useless weapon, i can make other examples

about upped or unupped charts/tiers, other than this there are also competitions like trials, events or war where u play in a limbo with 10/20 upgrades so it's really wrong make this split (without even counting that druidic staff is better unupped 90% of times) when u can simply decide what upgrade

these kind of threads are potentially misleading for new players that read

[MasterWalks]

Lobo to D tier imo, unupped is only good in pestal

Lobo does not belong with the 'Other' weapons. It offers an ability that can shut down many decks.

A lot wrong here.

S:
Discord, Vagger

A:
Titan, Arsenic, Druidic, Pulvy

B: Fahrenheit, Owls Eye, Poseidon, Eternity

C: Glory, Lobo

VStiletto is easily an S tier among these weapons, but does not necessarily shut down the opponents deck strategy like Disco or Eternity.
Fahren does not have the versatility that many other weapons do. It belongs in a Mono fire or Fire rush. Unless you can supply a huge Fire quanta pool, many other weapons can easily replace it.
Eternity has many uses and syncs very well with many cards. The only reason it wouldnt be S Tier is due to its cost. It is often considered one of the best by much of the community.
After much of the feedback in blab, Lobo may be dropping a Tier, but when i brought the idea up, people started being unsure.

upgraded vampire dagger is S tier, unupped id say discord is alone in that tier

arsenic is the most misplaced of them all, its not unusual to win with nearly all damage coming from arsenic (by turn 8 it has taken out half of the max health by itself), part of which cannot be undone with shields. Often the to go weapon in grabbows.

Lobo by itself really isnt impressive its just in how anoying it makes countering aether as a whole that makes it feel much better than it would be in any other element.

Seeing eternity that high is unusual, but it does indeed destroy entire archetypes (plural!). The reason why owls eye is more common despite its effect being about half as strong is largely because its an air card and playing it is as dmg efficient as a vanilla creature (with the drawback of occupying the weaponslot ofc). With owls eye you dont fall behind even if your opponent plays no targets at all. Eternity doesnt pair that well with sundial and procrastination and sacrifices some tempo when you play it, bringing it down a bit. That said, i have a hard time not including it in every timecentric deck, A tier is a fine place for it.

Titan and staves are hugely boosted by flying weapon, otherwise not that impressive so without that consideration your ranking for them is justified.

rest seems acceptable.

Of all the feedback, this is very logical.
When i looked at arsenic, i didnt necessarily factor in the poison stacking effect too heavily. You point will make me adjust it.
When people think about Vagger, they keep thinking of upped Vagger, which yes, would be S Tier. However, unupped, while still amazing, is not as good as Disco even in something like a bow deck. Like i said before, Disco shuts opponents down. Vagger just helps the user stay alive.
Eternity has many uses and counter so much. However, i am in agreement that it should be moved to A Tier. The high cost excludes it from any deck that doesnt have a constant supply of Time quanta, including almost every Bow deck.
Your proposed changes will come to fruition.

making this sort of top 5/tiers makes no sense for elements, elements isn't the generic p2w game where u have

- op weapon u can only buy with real money
- balanced, free weapon u get in endgame that can replace the op one even if weaker
- up weapon u will use until u don't get the balanced one

other than ability cost and damage u need to check the element they are in (lobo is terrible yes, but like kae said he has dims, fractal etc in the same element), or things that aren't write on the card like discord can potentially screw every deck but u must to invest double of the slots for draw chance and if u don't draw in time u have an almost useless weapon, i can make other examples

about upped or unupped charts/tiers, other than this there are also competitions like trials, events or war where u play in a limbo with 10/20 upgrades so it's really wrong make this split (without even counting that druidic staff is better unupped 90% of times) when u can simply decide what upgrade

these kind of threads are potentially misleading for new players that read

Even in P2W games, the timing of OP cards still matter. Also, in P2W games, Tier lists are still skewed. If i look at a P2W game that i am familiar with (Clash Royale) many of the top player do not use S Tier cards. You can make decks with low Tier cards, its just all strategy.
Tier lists are not made to look at every possible deck and combo the card can be used in, but the effectiveness of the card as a whole.
Yes I completely agree with this list possibly being misleading to new players, but there is already a weapon list FOR new players, located in the beginners area. This thread is for discussion purposes with people who are already in the community and know the game.

[InsignificantWeeaboo]

I believe "Weapon's ability" should also have "and effect" added to the end of it. As for the actual weapons...

Discord: = (No tier change)
Arsenic: +1 or even 2; Damage stacks pretty quickly, and can bypass shields. Only counters are Purify and simply outhealing the damage.
Titan: =
Pulvy: =
Druidic Staff: =
Fahrenheit: = (or +1 considering the below)
Trident: -1, maybe replace Fahrenheit?; Trident's ability unupped is way to expensive, and only works early game. Also, you don't usually need infinite Earthquakes.
Glory: =
Owl's Eye: +1, or swap places with Lobo; While Lobo and Eternity are effective CC, they can't permanently remove a creature.
Eternity: =
Vagger: =
Lobo: =, but should probably be placed lower in the B Tier.

[Manuel]

If i look at a P2W game that i am familiar with (Clash Royale) many of the top player do not use S Tier cards. You can make decks with low Tier cards, its just all strategy.

that is not the point, i make another example

elite antilon
steel golem

u can say in 90% of case steel golem is a better card than antilon, u can put steel golem in (example) b tier, u can put antilon in d tier even looking at other elements
u can do the same thing with probably any other element because there are card that are supposed to be "bad" (brimstone fire eater, phase salvager etc)
u can't do the same with weapons it simply doesn't work, there aren't weapon designed to be borderline like these creatures

Tier lists are not made to look at every possible deck and combo the card can be used in

that's why a tier makes no sense, u can't take everything in consideration

the most illogical thing is dagger in d tier when in 2018 is the most used weapon for farming but at the same time is a terrible card, the rate/vote system used for alchemic cards makes a lot more sense, u can say dagger is terrible but has some real use and not put it at the same level of idk, fahre

[MasterWalks]

If i look at a P2W game that i am familiar with (Clash Royale) many of the top player do not use S Tier cards. You can make decks with low Tier cards, its just all strategy.

that is not the point, i make another example

elite antilon
steel golem

u can say in 90% of case steel golem is a better card than antilon, u can put steel golem in (example) b tier, u can put antilon in d tier even looking at other elements
u can do the same thing with probably any other element because there are card that are supposed to be "bad" (brimstone fire eater, phase salvager etc)
u can't do the same with weapons it simply doesn't work, there aren't weapon designed to be borderline like these creatures

Tier lists are not made to look at every possible deck and combo the card can be used in

that's why a tier makes no sense, u can't take everything in consideration

the most illogical thing is dagger in d tier when in 2018 is the most used weapon for farming but at the same time is a terrible card, the rate/vote system used for alchemic cards makes a lot more sense, u can say dagger is terrible but has some real use and not put it at the same level of idk, fahre

Added a much needed disclaimer.

[JonathanCrazyJ]

Vagger does wreck entire archetypes. It is a 12 hp swing for 2 quanta ffs