Is this game worth playing?

[Zeful]

First of all, welcome to Elements the Game. Secondly... yes, you're going to play the bots. Y'know, they're there for a reason. Mind you, bots are actually pretty easy to fight as you said, and the rewards are bad for the first few, but it's not so bad for AI3 (Elder or Level3 as some call it.) Just go ahead and farm that. Also, if you don't know, when you win the Maximum Health you will get something called "Elemental Mastery", which doubles your electrum gain (40.) Not only that, but you also get the spins, which can be used to get new cards. Ta-da.

Oh yes, meet grinding as well. It just has to be done. Killing bots is essential. You, a enlightened person about game design surely wasn't hoping to come into a game and expect all cards to be available to you from the start, and just go ahead and fight PVP forever, hmm?

No I'm not stupid. I know how the game plays but do to having a card disadvantage on all my opponents is pretty shit game design for a card game. That same card disadvantage makes the Elemental mastery impossible to get.

"PVP 1. Random Player."

Random. Gogo. Plus, it's all un-upped, so not all games will be an "automatic loss". And, if you fight 500games+ people, when you beat them, you're going to get more electrum and more score, so it's good, no?

Remember the Level3 I talked about a bit earlier? Any deck that can beat it regularly (And there are tons of those, just give this forum a look!) will beat most PVP1 people as well. It's not so bad, and it's not throwing money away. As I have said as well, not all bots have shit reward, and PVP isn't really a automatic loss, so on to the next part.

Except I won't be winning against players 500+ games, or at least not enough to make a profit (assuming 120 a win, I have to win 1 in seven matches to break even... that's not been the experience). And you bring up another issue of card economy, I won't have the cards to build any of those decks, so reliably winning against level 3 opponents just won't happen. So the best use of my time is simply not playing the game and waiting for dayroll and snatching up the oracles drop every day.

That's what pisses me off. Not playing the game is the most effective use of my time. The hell?

This is an easy game with small, slow rewards. You can't rush your way towards... whatever you think your end goal is.

Play this game as a relaxing break from more challenging games. You seem to be expecting higher reward, which would only make sense in a game with higher risk. You can, eventually, own everything in this game and never fear a significant setback. Ergo, it takes awhile to get there.

No I'm expecting an even reward, which I'm not getting, as the slots are worthless, and being able to reliably beat an the apparently worthwhile AI opponent takes cards I don't have and can't get without extensive grinding. So again, the best use of my time is not playing.

[NikaZaslavsky]

Ok, if you want to be able to grind AI3s, do this.

Restart your account and choose Death as your element. Go to the deck managing screen. Buy and sell cards until you have this deck:

by NikaZaslavsky

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52h 52h 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 8pk

That's a good deck for AI3s, and you can buy all of the cards.

[ZephyrPhantom]

So I have months of grind ahead of me to gain the privilege to more grind?

Doesn't sound like it's getting better, just more tedious.

That's what pisses me off. Not playing the game is the most effective use of my time. The hell?

Not exactly. Grinding gets you more money which you use to build better decks. Said better decks aren't necessarily meant for the AI - there's a reason we have tournaments and PvP Events.

No I'm not stupid. I know how the game plays but do to having a card disadvantage on all my opponents is pretty shit game design for a card game. That same card disadvantage makes the Elemental mastery impossible to get.

Elemental Mastery isn't the point of the game, though it does get you more money. The way this game design is that you earn money, buy cards to improve or get a better deck, rinse and repeat while enjoying other things like PvP Events here or just messing around with the cards you have. (Note that almost every card the bots have can be brought in the Bazaar. The few that you can't can usually be won in the Arena.)

[TheIdioticIdiot]

btw, just on a side note, a large part of EtG is its community, and this is the wrong attitude to introduce yourself into it...


here is my tip:

make that mono death AI3 grinder

go search around for an unupped bronze grinder

get 3 lobotomizers

go back to farming AI3 for 9000 electrum

build a mostly unupped RoL/hope

farm FGs

get enough money for a semi-upped supernova speedbow (supernovas are pretty much the only required upgrades) to farm bronze more efficiently

get 6 shards of readiness (yellow ones)

go back to farming FG with RoL/hope for electrum to make instosis, search it in the forums (too lazy and a bit angry at the fact you think the game is crap to search it up for you)

farm FGs with it (it's super effective)

build fully upped speedbows for more arena farming for rares

you are all set for just about everything in the game


all that takes about a month if you take about 5 hours total out of each week to farm

[YawnChainHow]

Is this game eventually worth it or just more of the same?

Take a test drive with some random decks (I suggest one from here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11021.0.html)) on the forums in the Trainer (http://www.elementsthegame.com/trainer.html) and see if you like the game any more. If not, I don't think you'll find much to enjoy in Elements.

[teffy]

Except I won't be winning against players 500+ games, or at least not enough to make a profit (assuming 120 a win, I have to win 1 in seven matches to break even... that's not been the experience). And you bring up another issue of card economy, I won't have the cards to build any of those decks, so reliably winning against level 3 opponents just won't happen. So the best use of my time is simply not playing the game and waiting for dayroll and snatching up the oracles drop every day.

I´m playing now with a second account, to try out, how easy the beginning is: After 64 matches, I got two common unupped AI3 grinders (Mono life and shrieker rush) and some extra money (ca 500) , score 800, and I used Ai3, Bronze and a hand full of PvP 1. Fortunately, most (unupped) PvP and AI3 decks only have a few rares and they are often not necessary. There are good PvP decks without rares - only commons - and you can get these "quite" easily in the bazaar. Your only disadvantage is deck building skills and skills how to play cards and how they interact.
I often play PvP1 and I think, this are the main reasons, why people lose against me, here, deck building and knowledge of card interaction.
With the new prices and rewards for pvp matches, it should be possible even for beginners to win more than 25% of the matches .
beginners need even less, because rewards are 3-5 times as high as the price (examing Xenocidius´ formula (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32442.msg447760#msg447760)) in PvP 1 (without EM)

To the own arena deck: Wait for cards in several elements, then an own arena deck can be a good idea. Decks without using oracle cards are a bad idea - if you win, you could immediately get "thumbs down" - and 5 useless cards really lower the winning chances of the often beaten Bronze Decks.

[Zeful]

Elemental Mastery isn't the point of the game, though it does get you more money. The way this game design is that you earn money, buy cards to improve or get a better deck, rinse and repeat while enjoying other things like PvP Events here or just messing around with the cards you have. (Note that almost every card the bots have can be brought in the Bazaar. The few that you can't can usually be won in the Arena.)

I KNOW THAT! Jesus, you act like I'm brain damaged or something.

I know that Elemental Mastery isn't the point of the game. It's a card game, I'm supposed to be playing other players, like in Magic, or Yu-gi-oh, or even Battle Spirits (fun game) but I can't do that because I have a card disadvantage, and DM1321 brought up Elemental mastery in the first place, also treating me like I'm some kind of idiot. I point out that the above is also the precise reason why I can't get Elemental Mastery and you point out it isn't the point of the game. Well duh, would you like to state something else blisteringly obvious. Like the sum of 1 and 1? Or the color of the sky? Or maybe, just maybe you could stop treating me like an idiot.

btw, just on a side note, a large part of EtG is its community, and this is the wrong attitude to introduce yourself into it...

Yes, because just a quick look at replies to this topic doesn't sound like a bunch of people talking down to a newbie. I'll start respecting people once they've earned it, until then they get caustic for treating me like an idiot.

[TheIdioticIdiot]

btw, just on a side note, a large part of EtG is its community, and this is the wrong attitude to introduce yourself into it...

Yes, because just a quick look at replies to this topic doesn't sound like a bunch of people talking down to a newbie. I'll start respecting people once they've earned it, until then they get caustic for treating me like an idiot.

here is a life lesson, in any group, you want to be able to blend, posting a thread in a forum dedicated to a game with dedicated players that claims the game is crappy is just asking to be treated with hostility

EtG community is a nice group, and so far, I haven't seen anyone disrespecting you, if this was a more radical group, you would be flamed to no end already

[Xenocidius]

Elemental Mastery isn't the point of the game, though it does get you more money. The way this game design is that you earn money, buy cards to improve or get a better deck, rinse and repeat while enjoying other things like PvP Events here or just messing around with the cards you have. (Note that almost every card the bots have can be brought in the Bazaar. The few that you can't can usually be won in the Arena.)

I KNOW THAT! Jesus, you act like I'm brain damaged or something.

I know that Elemental Mastery isn't the point of the game. It's a card game, I'm supposed to be playing other players, like in Magic, or Yu-gi-oh, or even Battle Spirits (fun game) but I can't do that because I have a card disadvantage, and DM1321 brought up Elemental mastery in the first place, also treating me like I'm some kind of idiot. I point out that the above is also the precise reason why I can't get Elemental Mastery and you point out it isn't the point of the game. Well duh, would you like to state something else blisteringly obvious. Like the sum of 1 and 1? Or the color of the sky? Or maybe, just maybe you could stop treating me like an idiot.

btw, just on a side note, a large part of EtG is its community, and this is the wrong attitude to introduce yourself into it...

Yes, because just a quick look at replies to this topic doesn't sound like a bunch of people talking down to a newbie. I'll start respecting people once they've earned it, until then they get caustic for treating me like an idiot.

I trust you are familiar with forums? If so, you'll understand that we have Moderators to put people like you back in their place. Zblader was politely informing you of things that you may or may not have known. You responded by very rudely and unnecessarily insulting him. People have done nothing to earn your lack of respect, so please show some.

[Aves]

Issues of respect and civility aside, I do not understand your complaint. You argue against card scarcity and the need to grind.
The former is solved by the latter, and the latter is unavoidable in long-term games like this, as several others have mentioned. Even so, the 'grind' is entirely up to the player. I've been playing this for a long while, but have never really 'grinded' until recently- Elements has been a casual, gradually cumulative experience for me. And before you gain the impression that all I did was to check the oracle and not play the game, I'd like to point out that the oracle has not always been around.

Whether you decide to grind like crazy or check in once every few days and play a game or two a month is up to you.

[Hyroen]

Usual sequence of events:

• New player to Elements the Game
• New player has difficulties but tries harder
• Difficulties continue, new player rages...
• Vents on forum in either a "help me" thread, a "too repetitive" thread or a "this game sucks" thread
• Community kindly gives advice or amazing decks
• New player falls in love with new deck and community
• Returns to game, realizing it's full scope and epicness with new deck

How on earth are we stuck between 5 and 6?

[Naesala]

Hostility should be dropped, you want respect, be respectful. I too dislike the card disadvantage and the grinding. But. Every other card game has the same problem, youre restricted to the cards you own (with the exception of a few online card games). The advantage of elements? All the cards are, in reality, free/Additionally, you dont have to activly search out other players, and you can be part of growing the game and the other events.

Asa stand alone game, yeah elements can be frustratingly repetitive and grindy. Things are being done here to improve them. If you dont like it, make suggestions, or just stop playing.