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Why does Dim Shield block Antimatterd opponents? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16841.msg215429#msg215429
« on: December 03, 2010, 03:44:10 am »
If Anti-matter creatures have the momentum effect then why does the Dim Shield block the healing?

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, or if it has already been addressed.  I was wondering if this was intentional or not.

This is the deck I am trying out and it hurts the EM aspects.

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Re: Why does Dim Shield block Antimatterd opponents? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16841.msg215465#msg215465
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2010, 06:25:42 am »
Antimatter does not hit through Dim Shield, Wings, or Gravity Shield.  I guess the reason is that thematically each of these shields puts the element (player) out of range of the specific attacking creature types.

Wings puts you out of reach of grounded creatures.  Gravity Shield keeps you out of reach from large creatures.  Dim Shield keeps you away from all physical attacks.  Obviously, creatures with actual Momentum ignore the distancing effect.

The reason why Antimatter gets around every other shield is because the elemental is in range and they use their shield solely for blocking (positive) damage.

Or something like that.

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Re: Why does Dim Shield block Antimatterd opponents? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16841.msg215584#msg215584
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2010, 01:08:17 pm »
Why? Noone knows for sure. Ask the developer.

To me and many others it makes no sense to ignore the effects of some shields. If some works all the rest should too. Antimattered creatures ought to be frozen and burned and poisoned also be able to miss and get stuck in time bubbles. That antimatter wont work with some shields is logically "wrong". This is just another of those conflicting and unexplained mechanics in the game. All you can do is test ideas and hope it works since you cant figure it out beforehand from what the cards tell you. This is one reason why the http://www.elementsthegame.com/trainer exist.
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Re: Why does Dim Shield block Antimatterd opponents? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16841.msg215586#msg215586
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2010, 01:17:53 pm »
To me and many others it makes no sense to ignore the effects of some shields.
Sign me up for "many others" group. IMO, there is no reason to make exceptions here. Exceptions are bad for the game in the long run, and if they can be avoided, they should.

However, there's some (programming) logic behind those mechanics. Wings check for airborne status, Gravity shield checks for HP, Dim shield checks nothing. All other shields check for attack value of the creature, and since attack value here is negative, it lets attack through. That is likely the reason why things work as they work.

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Re: Why does Dim Shield block Antimatterd opponents? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16841.msg215594#msg215594
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2010, 01:35:44 pm »
The effect of dim shield is to absorb damage so anti-matter creatures always get through however if the shield is iggnored by momentum then nothing should change but maybe momentum iggnore's "something special" that conflicts with dimshield and anti-matter combo so thus maybe when a creature with momentum attack dim shield it absorbs all attacks and not just damaging ones?
( normaly Dim shield will let anti-matter creatures through. )

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Re: Why does Dim Shield block Antimatterd opponents? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16841.msg215600#msg215600
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2010, 01:43:39 pm »
To me and many others it makes no sense to ignore the effects of some shields.
Sign me up for "many others" group. IMO, there is no reason to make exceptions here. Exceptions are bad for the game in the long run, and if they can be avoided, they should.

However, there's some (programming) logic behind those mechanics. Wings check for airborne status, Gravity shield checks for HP, Dim shield checks nothing. All other shields check for attack value of the creature, and since attack value here is negative, it lets attack through. That is likely the reason why things work as they work.
I agree with both you and smuglapse
Yes its logical from programing view, a lot of things are but people dont know what those laws say, and how the game interpret the effects so its pointless. It also logical from the view of smuglapse said, wings for ex. one is flying so it shouldnt hit etc, in this way things are logical too, but this you can turn on its head too by thinking in other ways so this is also pointless.

The problem occur when regular people, the average joe, play the game. All it does is  for the regular guy is "explaining away" why something doesn't work (or work), its not a real answer its just a temporary and unsatisfying decoy.

After all they see the antimattered creatures run through the other commonly used shields (ice shield, fog,fire shield etc) and ignore their effects and then BAM against dim it wont work. It just screams "wrong".
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Re: Why does Dim Shield block Antimatterd opponents? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16841.msg215656#msg215656
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2010, 03:51:03 pm »
To me and many others it makes no sense to ignore the effects of some shields.
Sign me up for "many others" group. IMO, there is no reason to make exceptions here. Exceptions are bad for the game in the long run, and if they can be avoided, they should.

However, there's some (programming) logic behind those mechanics. Wings check for airborne status, Gravity shield checks for HP, Dim shield checks nothing. All other shields check for attack value of the creature, and since attack value here is negative, it lets attack through. That is likely the reason why things work as they work.
I agree with both you and smuglapse
Yes its logical from programing view, a lot of things are but people dont know what those laws say, and how the game interpret the effects so its pointless. It also logical from the view of smuglapse said, wings for ex. one is flying so it shouldnt hit etc, in this way things are logical too, but this you can turn on its head too by thinking in other ways so this is also pointless.

The problem occur when regular people, the average joe, play the game. All it does is  for the regular guy is "explaining away" why something doesn't work (or work), its not a real answer its just a temporary and unsatisfying decoy.

After all they see the antimattered creatures run through the other commonly used shields (ice shield, fog,fire shield etc) and ignore their effects and then BAM against dim it wont work. It just screams "wrong".
Completely agree.

All we can do is make interpretations of the will of zanz through testing the mechanisms of play.  And then form a theory around them until a new card is introduced that completely shatters our explanations.  And then codification begins anew with a 5 paragraph Wiki article.

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Re: Why does Dim Shield block Antimatterd opponents? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16841.msg215733#msg215733
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2010, 05:38:10 pm »
Thank you for your responses to my quandary. 
I am not a programmer or even very computer suave, I am just the average Joe enjoying playing a good game.  I did not even consider the programming aspect of things, and that makes the most sense. 
It would be nice though if there was some way to make the mechanics more standard.

Again thank you all for your feedback.

 

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