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How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440007#msg440007
« on: December 18, 2011, 12:07:58 pm »
I'm curious as to how people see the Arena - both in terms of playing it and marking hands, and building decks.

I see it as a place to try to try out things.  Let's face it, at 5-10  :electrum a pop, it's not really an earner once you've got a decent Gold farming deck.  You can more in one Gold match than you can by having a Gold Arena deck up for 5 days.  So I don't care about the money I could earn from it, and I don't care if my deck stays up for 12 days or gets knocked out in 3 games.

So I see it as a way to experiment.  I get the card, then I see what cards I have which might work with it then, if necessary, buy cards to make a coherent deck.  I'm still learning deck building, and I find that this is a more fun way to try things out than going in to the trainer - something that just doesn't appeal to me.  Neither does the approach of treating it like maths that I've seen in various deck-building threads.  That just doesn't seem like fun to me, and I'm not bothered enough about becoming a great deck builder to start approaching it that way.

Of course, you're letting the AI loose with your deck, and the AI is stupid.  But it's also fun to adjust for that.  I week or two ago I got a draw of Adrenaline.  I thought that this would go nicely with Vampires, so built a  :life/ :darkness deck.  I test the deck out and find that I've got to get rid of all of my Devourers because the AI was wasting the Adrenaline on them.  If anything, that's a lesson in making decks focussed.

I'll also experiment with combinations of cards that might be common but which I've personally not used before, or if the card dealt means that there's few sensible options.  A day or two ago I had a Gargoyle deck up.  If you get dealt a Gargoyle what are you going to do other than create a  :darkness/ :earth deck?  And that means Devourers and Earthquakes.  Similarly, any weapon means synergy with Air and Flying Weapon.

And I reflect this in my marking.  I'll automatically mark down Ghostmare (unless the card drawn was GotP or Nightmare, which only really have synergy with each other - I think it's churlish to mark someone down for using to best effect the card that they're dealt, even if I hate the deck that that creates) and any bow which ignores the card dealt, but otherwise I'll tend to mark everything else up.  I do wish, though, that there were three options - a negative, a positive, and a neutral.  So I could mark down decks which ignore the drawn card, mark decks which are perfectly reasonable but which are a little unimaginative (like my Gargoyle deck) neutral, and then mark up anything I think is particularly clever or interesting.

How about you?  How do you approach building, playing and marking, and why?

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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440010#msg440010
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2011, 12:37:53 pm »
I agree with your point that the arena just seems overall tedious if you can't farm Gold or Plat yet.

Marking: I will almost always mark down decks that beat me, unless they have some amazing original combo I've never seen before.

Deck-building- I'm in plat, but I don't have too many upped cards of one element. Usually I mess around with trying to make the greatest unupped deck of all time (essentially countering SPlat)
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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440059#msg440059
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2011, 04:24:53 pm »
How about you?  How do you approach (...) marking?

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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440064#msg440064
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 04:48:43 pm »
How about you?  How do you approach (...) marking?

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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440100#msg440100
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2011, 07:03:57 pm »
I've actually uprated some decks because they were original and creative.
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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440104#msg440104
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2011, 07:32:40 pm »
-electrum rewards: Completely insignificant, especially to long-time players.  I can get more from winning one upped card and selling it than an entire week of a top-ranked arena deck, so I don't even think about that.

-trying out things: When the arena first came in, I was always trying to build a top-ranked deck, and I got quite a few in the top 10, though I never reached #1.  I think my best was #2, with cremation destroyer and SoSa poison.  However, since as I mentioned, the electrum rewards are insignificant, and there is nothing gained by building a #1 arena deck, I just screw around building silly stuff most of the time, now, and amuse myself by seeing how well (or poorly!) it does.

-experimenting with new combos: I do this a lot these days.  One deck I did a few months ago had Nymph's Tears as a spun card, and I built this ridiculous water/light stall based on spamming Light Nymphs and other healing.  I had never seen that done before, and apparently not many others had either; it got a lot of thumbs-up, but not that many wins.  The deck I have up currently is just a boring Ghostmare, but even that is an experiment because I have never posted a ghostmare before.

-when giving thumbs to someone, I'll give any creative deck a thumbs up.  It's got to be really creative, though; I'm pretty stingy :p  For instance, I once lost to a squid/mitosis/feralbond deck because it stalled me and ended up killing me with all 100 points of damage being dealt by squids, and that easily got my thumbs up, because it was so funny.  I'll also give thumbs up to any extremely well-built deck, even if it is not creative, but obviously displays excellent deckbuilding skill, and is not something that was just ripped off of the forums.  If you can build a monodeath SoSa deck that is better than everyone else's, I'll thumbs up you, even though it's not unique, if it was done better than everyone else.  These are extremely subjective criteria, obviously, and it will depend a lot on my mood that day, too.  If you just robbed me of my last ring to get a rare spin, I'll probably seek vengeance with thumbs-down :p


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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440107#msg440107
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2011, 07:49:45 pm »
Seems like most people so far are pretty stingy with the praise.  Is it just me whose default position is thumbs-up?

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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440130#msg440130
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2011, 09:40:15 pm »
Seems like most people so far are pretty stingy with the praise.  Is it just me whose default position is thumbs-up?
I probably thumbs up more than half of the time. More electrum for everyone.
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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440142#msg440142
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2011, 10:05:53 pm »
Seems like most people so far are pretty stingy with the praise.  Is it just me whose default position is thumbs-up?
I guess the way I look at it, comparing to the old system, is that a thumbs-down = what you got in the old system and a thumbs-up equals a bonus.  Therefore, you have to stand out from the crowd to get a thumbs-up from me.  Occasionally I've put up farms in the arena, though, so I figure I give back that way.

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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440178#msg440178
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 12:58:22 am »
Seems like most people so far are pretty stingy with the praise.  Is it just me whose default position is thumbs-up?
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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440185#msg440185
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 01:22:49 am »
Building an arena deck is fun. It's one of the only two things I do whenever I log on (The other being killing the FG of the day). It's also really fun to farm for the rewards.

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Re: How do you view the Arena? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34909.msg440190#msg440190
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2011, 01:32:05 am »
Building an arena deck is fun. It's one of the only two things I do whenever I log on (The other being killing the FG of the day). It's also really fun to farm for the rewards.
I only hope that mine won't be totally horrible. (todai it isn't lol)
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