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How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18777#msg18777
« on: January 20, 2010, 09:00:01 pm »
Some consider an earth deck with Time mark and evolving Graboids mono.
Some consider a gravity deck with Titan and Animate Weapon mono.
Some consider one or both of the above duo decks.

What's your definition of "mono"?

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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18779#msg18779
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2010, 09:11:21 pm »
same mark same cards. If it weren´t so it kill the trio decks as they are usally two types of towers and a diffrent mark.

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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18783#msg18783
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 09:32:08 pm »
Mono Deck I define as:
All card use N Quanta to be put into play. All Pillars generate N Quanta. Mark can be aNything.

Dual Deck I define as:
Cards use N and M Quanta to be put into play. Pillars generate N. Mark is M.

Trio Deck I define as:
Cards use N, M and O to be put into play. Pillars are N and M. Mark is O.

Rainbow Deck I define as:
OMG IMBA DEATH TO ALL FALSE GODS!

or more less colloquially as:
Cards use any of the 12 Quanta. Pillars are Quantum Pillars. Mark is anything.

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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18785#msg18785
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 09:35:02 pm »
All one type of quantum. Just because you have the air card animate weapon doesn't make it any less mono. You're just basically making it a one cost gravity card.

In addition, I have a *trio* deck that uses *four* different types of cards. Flying eternities, quicksands, aether towers. If you go by the logic that only the card types count, it would be a quad element deck. And those don't have a forum section, so pretty much don't exist. If we defined a deck by the card types it carries, we would need to add a quad element section, and possibly even a five element section if I added purifys (which I don't, but it's possible).

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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18787#msg18787
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 09:54:53 pm »
This is an interesting question and one that I have been thinking about a while now.

If not for marks, answer to this question would be a very easy one: Mono-deck is a deck that has cards from only one element. Ability costs etc. are irrelevant, it's only the card element that counts. This is how it's been on CCG's always and this is what makes sense.

With a mark it gets a bit more complicated because mark is basically another element. But If you think about, your mark isn't really part of your deck. You have the deck.. and then you have the mark. They are two totally different things.

This is why I'm planning on changing the "Decks" section rules. If the deck has "cards from a single element" it's mono, despite what the mark is. If it uses "cards from two different elements", it's a duo-deck, etc.

"Other" cards don't count of course.

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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18920#msg18920
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 06:59:17 pm »
...and neither do upgraded Purify and Animate Weapon, as they are essentially (by casting cost) "Other" cards.
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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18938#msg18938
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2010, 08:50:32 pm »
...and neither do upgraded Purify and Animate Weapon, as they are essentially (by casting cost) "Other" cards.
Purify is a card that belongs to Water element. Animate Weapon belongs to Air. You can easily see this by looking at the card graphics or by vising Bazar.

Having no cost doesn't make them "Other" cards.

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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18961#msg18961
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 10:19:05 pm »
The only thing that actually determines how a card is used is the type of quanta used to cast it.  I can play Purify (elite) if my deck has a Time mark and all Stone Towers -- therefore, it is not actually a water card, despite what the art makes it appear to be.  Not in terms of what constitutes a mono-deck.
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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18963#msg18963
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 10:32:19 pm »
All one type of quantum. Just because you have the air card animate weapon doesn't make it any less mono. You're just basically making it a one cost gravity card.

In addition, I have a *trio* deck that uses *four* different types of cards. Flying eternities, quicksands, aether towers. If you go by the logic that only the card types count, it would be a quad element deck. And those don't have a forum section, so pretty much don't exist. If we defined a deck by the card types it carries, we would need to add a quad element section, and possibly even a five element section if I added purifys (which I don't, but it's possible).
You wouldnt need a quad element section, because reading the text under Rainbow Decks, it says "decks with 4 or more elements."

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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18974#msg18974
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2010, 10:52:30 pm »
The only thing that actually determines how a card is used is the type of quanta used to cast it.  I can play Purify (elite) if my deck has a Time mark and all Stone Towers -- therefore, it is not actually a water card, despite what the art makes it appear to be.  Not in terms of what constitutes a mono-deck.
Well this is only sematics we are discussing here, but to me, mono = one = cards from one element.

Using your logic, I could take cards from all 12 elements and call it a mono-deck as long as it only uses one type of quantum (or "other" quantum). That doesn't sound right to me.

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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18990#msg18990
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 11:48:22 pm »
When you're discussing decks in a forum like this, you're talking about game mechanics more than storyline or art, straight up.  No one cares what a card looks like -- the only thing they want to know is "can I put it in my deck without adding different towers/changing my mark?".

If the card is Purify (elite) or Animate Weapon, the answer to that question is always "yes".  Therefore, in the only terms that are relevant to any discussion we would want to have, Purify (elite) and Animate Weapon are "Other" cards and can safely be put into a mono-deck without bumping it into the duo- and trio-deck sections. 

Any other method of sorting those cards is plain silly, as it would turn a Seraph-style Explosion/Morning Glory/Miracle deck that runs a Purify (elite) and a few Animate Weapons into a "rainbow deck" despite the fact that the deck only runs Light and Fire quanta.  In other words, the entire logic behind Rainbow decks (spread out quanta use to make maximum advantage of the variety of quanta that rainbow decks produce) utterly fails to apply.  The deck is in every reasonable judgement a duo-deck, because duo-deck logic (keep one element minor and use the mark to power it in order to attain consistency from the main element) does.

It's not semantics -- it's the root of the way people address deck construction. 

And yes, if for some bizarre reason Zanz created a bunch of cards in each element that all required only Fire quanta to use, then creating a deck of all 12 elements that used only fire quanta would still follow basic mono-deck logic, and should be put in the mono-deck section.
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Re: How do you define a "mono" deck? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=2315.msg18997#msg18997
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2010, 12:23:30 am »
It's not about storyline, art or what the card looks like. It's about in which set, or in this case element, the card belongs to.

If I have a deck of 30 Water cards, that is a mono-water-deck.

If I have a deck 10 Water cards, 10 Fire cards and 10 Gravity cards, that is a trio-deck. Even if you could somehow pay all the cards with Water quantum.

Classifying deck based on gameplay or quantum usage is way too complex imo. My method is simple and makes sense.

That's how I see it.

 

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