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Progress speed in different areas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59875.msg1208992#msg1208992
« on: October 07, 2015, 09:41:03 am »
After playing for about two months I notice that the progress speed in different areas is strangely misaligned. I wonder if there is a reason for that and if anybody agrees.

The differences speed levels I mean are:

Electrum: slow
 With my 1300 games I have earned perhaps 150K, this is two upped decks and several stray cards. Playing mainly bronze and silver is surely the mistake here, but excessive FG grinding gets boring really fast. Is there any reason, why this game is so grindy? Just 1000 oder even 500 for an upgrade would have sufficed as well. Well, I guess I will build one of these standard-grinders everybody uses with my next money...

Rares: Rather fast
Surprisingly, rares are not that rare. I already have 5+ of each type except shard of readiness and titan (always unlucky with those). Even getting 12 seems easier than getting the money to upgrade 6 of each. Its a bit sad, that getting another rare gets rather unspectacular quite fast.

Arena level: Really fast
Within the two months I have reached level 51, which places me in gold league. Sadly, I have nowhere the experience and the (upgraded!) cards to create good gold decks. Is there any possibility to stay in silver (with the upgrade points of level 40)? Even Lvl 60 is not that far away. In Platinum, I am definitely misplaced and my stock of mainly basic cards will be even more useless.

Nymphs: unbelievably slow
Had about 50 oracle spins so far, no nymph. This seems a bit unlucky, I found somewhere in the forum that the chance is about 1:31. No matter, the expected time to get one specific card is about one year. The time scale is years here. Is that some sort of mechanism to ensure, that any newcomers will never close up to the established players? This would be no problem, if these nymphs would be prestige-only weak cards. However, to my they seem to be the strongest ones after shards and few other crazy ones (dimshield etc). At least my experience is: If the enemy gets a nymph out and you cannot disable or kill it, you are wrecked. Best joke I have seen so far was a proposed FG counter deck with 6 purple nymphs. Luckily, most proposed decks use only two or three of one kind, thats only 2-3 years until you could try that, assuming that I get more lucky in future...

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Re: Progress speed in different areas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59875.msg1209021#msg1209021
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2015, 03:00:23 pm »
After playing for about two months I notice that the progress speed in different areas is strangely misaligned. I wonder if there is a reason for that and if anybody agrees.

The differences speed levels I mean are:

Electrum: slow
 With my 1300 games I have earned perhaps 150K, this is two upped decks and several stray cards. Playing mainly bronze and silver is surely the mistake here, but excessive FG grinding gets boring really fast. Is there any reason, why this game is so grindy? Just 1000 oder even 500 for an upgrade would have sufficed as well. Well, I guess I will build one of these standard-grinders everybody uses with my next money...

I guess "150K" is a typo, as that is worth 100 upgraded cards. But overall, you are right, this game is heavy on grinding. You should still notice that there are a lot of cards that aren't really worth upgrading much, still, so unless you like to collect things (or have no idea what to do with your electrum later), there is no real need to have 6|6 of every card soon. If you can go against Gold or Plat, you get A LOT more money btw, as well as upgraded rares in the special spins. They require a good deck of course, but there is luckily more than just one or two grinding decks. *click*

Rares: Rather fast
Surprisingly, rares are not that rare. I already have 5+ of each type except shard of readiness and titan (always unlucky with those). Even getting 12 seems easier than getting the money to upgrade 6 of each. Its a bit sad, that getting another rare gets rather unspectacular quite fast.

True with most of them. Some cards like Shard of Integrity are really rare, though, unless you are lucky with special spins. Rare cards are very strong, so your explanations on Nymphs go here much better than there (up to come), so be lucky it doesn't take too long.

Arena level: Really fast
Within the two months I have reached level 51, which places me in gold league. Sadly, I have nowhere the experience and the (upgraded!) cards to create good gold decks. Is there any possibility to stay in silver (with the upgrade points of level 40)? Even Lvl 60 is not that far away. In Platinum, I am definitely misplaced and my stock of mainly basic cards will be even more useless.

Just true. Once in plat, you will realize huge steps from one level to the next, but that doesn't change the point you have. I fully approve of a change here, it is unfortunately unlikely to have one soon.

Nymphs: unbelievably slow
Had about 50 oracle spins so far, no nymph. This seems a bit unlucky, I found somewhere in the forum that the chance is about 1:31. No matter, the expected time to get one specific card is about one year. The time scale is years here. Is that some sort of mechanism to ensure, that any newcomers will never close up to the established players? This would be no problem, if these nymphs would be prestige-only weak cards. However, to my they seem to be the strongest ones after shards and few other crazy ones (dimshield etc). At least my experience is: If the enemy gets a nymph out and you cannot disable or kill it, you are wrecked. Best joke I have seen so far was a proposed FG counter deck with 6 purple nymphs. Luckily, most proposed decks use only two or three of one kind, thats only 2-3 years until you could try that, assuming that I get more lucky in future...

Nymphs (and Mark cards) are - imo - for long time motivation. Of course, there are always times when the Oracle seems to troll you, but you should know that most Nymphs aren't as OP as they seem at first. Purple Nymph has 1 or 2 HP, killed by basically anything, and also high casting and ability cost. The only OP Nymphs belong to Air and Time imo, maybe Earth and upped Light also. You can still be assured that this won't be of much disadvantage if you join competetive PvP, as especially Tournaments and PvP Events always take care to ban OP cards, Nymphs included. In Leagues, you and your opponent can agree on banning Nymphs.
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Re: Progress speed in different areas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59875.msg1209207#msg1209207
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 12:51:30 pm »
The fact, that nymphs are often banned is the most important info for me. You are right, that not all of these are really strong. Encountered the turquoise (immortality) one yesterday and was not impressed. But I also met Air (unstable gas), Fire (Rage pot) and Earth (Basilisk Blood) and each shreds you if you cant lobo or kill it.

On Arena progress: Level 54 now. I have little time the next two weeks, but thereafter lvl60 will come soon. I bet its an exponential function, but the upturn is quit misplaced.

And finally: 150K is no typo. I have about 80 upgraded cards, thats the two upped decks and some random cards I got from FG and did not sell because they seemed to be very useful soon. This and lots of unupped cards and the coins I have gave me that sum of 150K. But I do not intend to sell the two decks so the electrum I can really invest is rather 10% of that. And my number of games was wrong - the 1300 are just the wins, I have 800 losses as well.

The two decks are limitless speed (which made most of the money I guess) and a small Rainbow. When building a deck with a prescribed card only 3-5 of my upgraded cards are useful. Typical Gold decks consist of 50%+ upgraded cards.

Something I stopped worrying about after playing Gold myself yesterday is the creativity of the decks. In Gold 70% (slightly exaggerated) of the decks are Dimshields/Shard of Freedom/Mono Fire. I have 10+ of SoW, SoBra and SoFr now. Its difficult to be subaverage in creativity here. Oh well, when looking at my card pool, the only element with lots of upped cards is Aether, and the only Card with 6|6 is Dimshield. At the end, you build the same shit as everyone else...

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Re: Progress speed in different areas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59875.msg1209246#msg1209246
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2015, 03:43:41 pm »
Oh, I thought you were talking about your money alone, not including the ups. Okay, then.

And yeah, leagues aren't that fun unless you like fighting a stale meta. That's the reason I've rarely visited it since I completed my card collection. Sometimes I build (in my opinion creative) decks for it you can see here, but otherwise I don't see much of it.
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Re: Progress speed in different areas https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59875.msg1209297#msg1209297
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 10:47:54 pm »
Progression has to be slow for the game to last any decent amount of time. Especially the end-game is slow as balls with level 75-80 taking 500k score, as much as level 1-74, but the truth is that even that doesn't take that long.

Since getting all cards a long time ago, I find myself in need of more content rather than less. Three alternate accounts only entertain for so long.

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